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Originally Posted by Fammaden
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You have made exactly two specific claims repeatedly. That Ghxst shit all over a Vindi outside of the usual Sunday agreement. Note that this is Ghxst not Freedom and was under very different and apparently less focused and more disorganized leadership.
Secondly that at some point Kittens and other guilds were gifted attempts on a couple NToV mobs, but that appears to have been as much due to the population crash on blue than who was the top raid guild at the time.
I guess you're also adding in rotations now but why the rotations got nuked varies by who you ask. Again, Ghxst were being shitbags with RW and ST and that sucks that it led to the situation that we have now. But Ghxst isn't Freedom they are very different entities which should be clear by now, despite the membership they share. Regardless of the initial catalyst for ditching rotations, it is fully Riot that's currently refusing to consider rotating again as I understand it (not a UN rep or anything).
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You're the only one actually engaging substantively here, so +1. There doesn't appear to be a major different between Ghxst and Freedom, from the outside observer. The denial of this obvious fact is part of the point here. There's a pretty consistent through-line of leadership, and general membership, running from old-AM to the current Freedom. Adding a handful of disaffected Riot leadership doesn't really change that underlying dynamic. You guys still have the old AM guild bank, I presume?
The uncontested mobs that were agreed to at that time also are not the point in and of themselves. It just demonstrates that <R> was, in some ways, better to work with. If and when <F> decides that they are also willing to exercise some forbearance here and there, I'm happy to admit I'm wrong.
It might even be that Riot is the main party preventing a ring war agreement. I know when I've socked Badain they certainly seem content with the current status quo, so it's not like I hold them blameless. What's the <F> proposal for a ring war agreement?
For better or worse Riot acts/acted differently than you all do, and people make judgments accordingly.