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You don't need Fungi / Fungi Staff / etc to get 1 blue an hour a shaman. You could do that naked.
You don't need Fungi / Fungi Staff / JBB to get 10% an hour as a shaman. You just need epic. I'm leaving this thread now, good luck OP. DSM you are bad. | ||
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There is no way a naked Shaman is leveling at the same speed as a Shaman with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB. If I am just "bad", and a naked Shaman can get 1 blue an hour at 59, that means you can get closer to 2 blues an hour with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB. This simply weakens your argument further, so I am not sure why you made this claim. Why sell everything for Epic if you can get roughly the same amount of XP per hour as a "good" player with Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB? You don't need Epic to level quickly. Epic is generally more expensive than Torpor and it is no drop, so it is not advisable to put all your money into Epic. It is better to sell your Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff + JBB for Torpor when you hit 60, then you can quickly get your money back at camps like Fungi King. You can buy Epic and whatever else you want. A level 60 Shaman with Torpor is going to get a lot more cash camp groups than a level 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor. A level 60 Shaman with Torpor is also able to solo better cash camps than a level 60 Shaman with Epic and no Torpor.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 08-29-2023 at 12:57 PM..
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why would you wait til 60 to get epic on shaman?
takes all the fun out of it pretty sure root rotting 4-6 mobs is far more efficient than face tanking w/ jbb | ||
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If you only have 90k worth of items and plat in total, you have two options: 1. Sell everything, buy Epic, and become broke. You will level faster while trying to farm 60K+ with only Epic and no other key Shaman items/spells. 2. Level quickly with JBB + Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff, sell them to buy Torpor + Malo, and get money for Epic a lot faster using cash camps like Fungi King. The second option is generally more time efficient, because it is a lot slower to acquire money only using Epic clicks. You end up spending the same amount of time or more farming money as you saved leveling. People aren't going to let you into Fungi King simply because you have Epic. They want Torpor + Malo.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 08-29-2023 at 01:20 PM..
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Let me preface this by saying that of course the details will vary based on what you fight, how you fight it, etc. ... but if you do the math, the epic seems clearly better than the Fungi.
Wall of Math inc! Let's call an average fight two minutes, for simplicity (although it only has to last 1.5 minutes for this math to work). Curse of the Spirits deals roughly 1425 damage in 1.5 minutes. If you recast it after the first cast finishes, you get very minimal damage for the remaining half minute, so let's just ignore that damage, and also let's round down and call it 1.4k damage for the fight. OP said he was 51, so that means he's using E-Bolt, which produces 3.994 damage per mana and Plague, 4.23 DPM. Let's go with Plague as it's more efficient: if you could magically cast two Plagues at once and have the second deal the same damage as the epic, it would cost you 330 mana (1400/4.23) to get an epics' worth of damage. Now of course you can't cast two Plagues at once, making the epic significantly more valuable, because it stacks with your other DoTs. But still, let's compare it to the Fungi. The Fungi gives 2.5hp per second, so in a two minute fight you get 300 HP. If you turned that HP into mana with Cannibalize II, you'd get about 0.5 mana per HP,or 150 mana (it varies by level so it's hard to give an exact number). Same deal (in reverse) if the Fungi saves you from having to cast Superior Healing: it gives Shaman about 2hp per mana, so again the Fungi's 300 HP is worth 150 mana. Even if you assume a two-minute down-time after every fight, that's 600 HP from the fungi, or 300 mana ... vs, the 330 mana's worth of damage from the epic. The epic may even do more damage in a longer fight, and it will do a lot more damage if you fight two or more mobs at once. But most importantly, because it stacks with other DoTs it lets you kill the mob significantly faster, meaning you take less damage (not even factored into my math). Now to be fair, the epic costs about twice what a fungi costs, and that math shows it isn't twice as good. Also, if you're killing low level (for your level) mobs super-quickly, the Epic doesn't get to do its full damage, and the math changes. But in general, if your options are 50k plat and a fungi, or no fungi and and an epic, the basic math shows how the epic is more valuable.
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A Shaman with JBB + Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff can kill roughly 3 mobs in 6 minutes with 6000 HP using 4 JBB clicks + 1 Envenomed Bolt + Pet + Togor's Insects. This is 500 mana per mob. With the Fungi Tunic + Staff you are basically at meditation rates while standing, so you are spending roughly the same mana per mob. You are getting 18 mana/tick with the +30 HP/Tick and the 1200 mana saved per hour via Fungi Staff, and under level 60 you are meditating around that amount. If you can do 1-2 extra clicks of JBB per minute, you will be a bit faster. Epic Shamans can out-perform JBB + Fungi Tunic + Fungi Staff Shamans in the specific situation of having a camp with 4+ mobs, where you are always getting 4+ mobs per root/rot cycle. This assumes you are always going to get a camp like that while leveling. However, Torpor Shamans will farm money much faster than non-Torpor Shamans. The tradeoff of faster leveling is not worth the slower farming speeds once you hit 60. You may save 10 hours per level for 4-5 levels, but you are going to be spending more than 40-50 hours trying to farm 60K+ by Epic clicking vendor trash mobs. You can make more than 60K in 40-50 hours by doing cash camps like Fungi King.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 08-29-2023 at 02:23 PM..
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You quoted me, yet ignored everything I wrote.
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