Monk 2hb trick (with epic)

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

feels good having a gharn's and not having to play autismquest for an extra 4 damage per second

When you kill raid targets with 150 of your closest friends, who cares about DPS anyway? And I say this for Blue and Red.

[jolanar]

Just chiming in that you don't need epic for this to work.

[gildor]

I am with Jolanar, I am doing it on my 22 monk using a PB, now that my DW skill is over 150 its pretty awesome "quad attacking" 2 for max with the PB 2 with my offhand fists, without missing a round of 2h dmg

[Man0warr]

I stopped doing it because it's a hassle and DPS isn't really my primary role in a raid.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Hackattack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's so much misinformation about this, and any DW class can do this not just Monks.

True, but as a warrior your offhand is like 1/30. Now if you had a really slow primary, you could maybe get your primary 2H, then offhand punch, then offhand swing with a reasonable weapon. If this works for you, let me know . . .

Originally Posted by Hackattack

People like to state and calculate it as if you're getting a real 9/16 offhand but you are not. Your offhand delay is restricted to whatever the delay of your 2h you are using.

Kind of; with the Bo Staff of Trorsmang you can get 2 offhand attacks in pretty easily.

In the end though, with apologies to Colgate, it feels good having an Abashi's so I don't have to play autismquest for 4 extra dps.

[Lojik]

Re: with other dual wield classes, you could turn auto attack on/off rq in between switches, but that would be pretty tedious.

[jolanar]

Originally Posted by Hackattack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's so much misinformation about this, and any DW class can do this not just Monks.

People like to state and calculate it as if you're getting a real 9/16 offhand but you are not. Your offhand delay is restricted to whatever the delay of your 2h you are using.

TStaff swap essentially puts you at 29/30 mainhand and 9/30 offhand not 29/30 mainhand with 9/16 offhand.

Free bonus swings = more damage though. Can't argue that. When I used to get bored on Sky raids pre-velious I would do this with TStaff and be out DPSing the Rogues.

Not unless your an epicless scrub like me. Actually does more damage sans epic.

[fiveeauxfour]

I don't know if this question was answered already but at which dual wield weapon combo threshold does the swap become irrelevant?

wu's? primal/priceless battlehammers? surely gharns/fon is unbeatable

basically, when is it not worth sweating IRL trying to time this fucking mechanic

[Raev]

Originally Posted by fiveeauxfour [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know if this question was answered already but at which dual wield weapon combo threshold does the swap become irrelevant?

wu's? primal/priceless battlehammers? surely gharns/fon is unbeatable

basically, when is it not worth sweating IRL trying to time this fucking mechanic

according to my sperglord calculator, the upgraded bo staff is unbeatable.

• Upgraded Bo Staff + 9/17.5 offhand fist: 105 dps
• Upgraded Abashi's Rod: 96 dps
• Upgraded Gharn's Rock/FON: 95 dps
• Current Gharn's Rock/FON: 88 dps
• Current Bo Staff + 9/17.5 offhand fist: 87 dps
• Current Abashi's Rod: 79 dps
• Current 2x Primal Hammers: 70 dps

Upgraded is with the increased 2HB bonus, triple attack, better damage table, etc

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

according to my sperglord calculator, the upgraded bo staff is unbeatable.

• Upgraded Bo Staff + 9/17.5 offhand fist: 105 dps
• Upgraded Abashi's Rod: 96 dps
• Upgraded Gharn's Rock/FON: 95 dps
• Current Gharn's Rock/FON: 88 dps
• Current Bo Staff + 9/17.5 offhand fist: 87 dps
• Current Abashi's Rod: 79 dps
• Current 2x Primal Hammers: 70 dps

Upgraded is with the increased 2HB bonus, triple attack, better damage table, etc

What are the actual numbers for the 2h bonus math? Couldn't find anything on it (although I only did a few searches.) Also, when you say 9/17.5 offhand, are you assuming people are getting 2x offhand rounds in between bo swings, or that's 1 round with 100% haste? 2x swings will take perfect timing and I don't think people could keep that up continuously, especially since you have to worry about positioning etc.