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Old 12-16-2022, 12:04 AM
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Pretty horrible the richest country in the world is held back by one party that keeps the rich richer and the poor starving and uneducated.

You could argue that helping the poor unmotivates them to get educated, work or better themselves but the same can be said about keeping them poor giving them less of a chance to dig themselves out since social programs and safety nets are cut; to help the rich get a tax break.

And 70% tax rate on the rich doesn’t unmotivate them to try to get more money. Everyone wants more money.

And statics already show trickle down is BS
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:07 AM
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Pretty horrible the richest country in the world is held back by one party that keeps the rich richer and the poor starving and uneducated.

You could argue that helping the poor unmotivates them to get educated, work or better themselves but the same can be said about keeping them poor giving them less of a chance to dig themselves out since social programs and safety nets are cut; to help the rich get a tax break.

And 70% tax rate on the rich doesn’t unmotivate them to try to get more money. Everyone wants more money.

And statics already show trickle down is BS
Part of the reason we are in the mess that we are is the assumption that simply throwing more money at a complex issue like homelessness is a solution

People become more and more reluctant to just throw money at a problem when they see that previous money spent is not fixing things

All these systems are connected. One assumption that is a safe assumption is the more uneducated homeless people you pack into an area, such as millions coming across the border, the more nearby cities infrastructure will buckle under the load

And since these systems are already buckling under our own citizen’s needs, adding millions more to me seems like a recipe for disaster

When freakin Gavin Newsom, champion of the sanctuary city concepts, is begging the federal gov’t to do something, we are getting pretty fucked
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:17 AM
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It’s like when Botten mentions not wanting to separate immigrant parents from their children…

Ok…if we allow them to join the other homeless immigrants in makeshift shantytowns, what happens when the kids start getting underfed, cold, and sick?

The state is still not going to allow immigrant kids to starve in some shanty. They’ll take them away from their parents and try to cram them into a CPS shelter. Which causes there to be less options for American citizen’s abused or neglected kids that need shelter

So all of this stuff has a ripple effect. And it still could result in kids being separated. Now this is a worst case scenario, I am not saying it is going to be the norm. But it becomes more likely the more people who are in need come
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:25 AM
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Anyone can rob to get rich. Republicans do it all the time. Funny how both are criminals that can live their lives in jail if they do it in an extreme fashion.
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:25 AM
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It’s like when Botten mentions not wanting to separate immigrant parents from their children…

Ok…if we allow them to join the other homeless immigrants in makeshift shantytowns, what happens when the kids start getting underfed, cold, and sick?

The state is still not going to allow immigrant kids to starve in some shanty. They’ll take them away from their parents and try to cram them into a CPS shelter. Which causes there to be less options for American citizen’s abused or neglected kids that need shelter

So all of this stuff has a ripple effect. And it still could result in kids being separated. Now this is a worst case scenario, I am not saying it is going to be the norm. But it becomes more likely the more people who are in need come
It's the law(or judicial precedent? hmm!) you can't detain children for more than 21 days
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:31 AM
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And 70% tax rate on the rich doesn’t unmotivate them to try to get more money. Everyone wants more money.
It does give them a shitton less capital to expand and hire more workers and/or improve their process and products. Growth is important.

The upper bracket(s) already pay more than 70% of all income tax revenues.
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:33 AM
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When freakin Gavin Newsom, champion of the sanctuary city concepts, is begging the federal gov’t to do something, we are getting pretty fucked
California can end their sanctuary status at any time but they'd rather pay slavery reparations than use federal money as federally requested.
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:36 AM
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Part of the reason we are in the mess that we are is the assumption that simply throwing more money at a complex issue like homelessness is a solution

People become more and more reluctant to just throw money at a problem when they see that previous money spent is not fixing things

All these systems are connected. One assumption that is a safe assumption is the more uneducated homeless people you pack into an area, such as millions coming across the border, the more nearby cities infrastructure will buckle under the load

And since these systems are already buckling under our own citizen’s needs, adding millions more to me seems like a recipe for disaster

When freakin Gavin Newsom, champion of the sanctuary city concepts, is begging the federal gov’t to do something, we are getting pretty fucked
330 million in a nation that has almost 20 Trillion GDP a year.

Oh please!! We could afford to give a yearly salary of $40,000 and still have a middle class and rich who opt out of it.

And our military is the biggest glut. 1.64 Trillion each year that is absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:38 AM
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Anyone can rob to get rich. Republicans do it all the time. Funny how both are criminals that can live their lives in jail if they do it in an extreme fashion.
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