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Old 03-22-2023, 08:46 PM
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My memories of Classic/Kunark/Velious are too foggy (and I was too casual) to say how much people did or didn't use charm, but I know it was used extensively during Luclin/PoP, and I'm not aware of any changes to the fundamental mechanic between those two time periods. And I'm obviously not talking about Dire Charm.

I played an enchanter from Luclin and through PoP and a bit of GoD, and my recollection is that charm worked more or less the way it does here. It's just that people hadn't been playing MMORPGs for twenty years at the time, nor did we have Gina audio triggers to announce mez breaks so you can react instantaneously, etc.
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Old 03-23-2023, 10:37 AM
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My memories of Classic/Kunark/Velious are too foggy (and I was too casual) to say how much people did or didn't use charm, but I know it was used extensively during Luclin/PoP, and I'm not aware of any changes to the fundamental mechanic between those two time periods. And I'm obviously not talking about Dire Charm.

I played an enchanter from Luclin and through PoP and a bit of GoD, and my recollection is that charm worked more or less the way it does here. It's just that people hadn't been playing MMORPGs for twenty years at the time, nor did we have Gina audio triggers to announce mez breaks so you can react instantaneously, etc.
Resist changes during Luclin were actually an extensive change that, as far as I remember, started the more widespread use of charming.

People knew how to do basic recharming way before that. More unpredictable resists just made it a lot less reliable than it is on P99.
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Old 03-23-2023, 10:47 AM
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Old 03-23-2023, 11:41 AM
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People knew how to do basic recharming way before that. More unpredictable resists just made it a lot less reliable than it is on P99.
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Old 03-23-2023, 12:28 PM
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Classic EverQuest: My dial up internet went out and then charm broke and I died. There goes an hour of experience I have to get back since I probably won’t get a Rez.

P99 Everquest: My torched and dual wielding pet just killed me after I used it to kill 10 mobs in 5 mins. Can someone log my Rez bot cleric parked here so I can be back up and running in 5 mins?
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Old 03-23-2023, 01:00 PM
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Classic EverQuest: My dial up internet went out and then charm broke and I died. There goes an hour of experience I have to get back since I probably won’t get a Rez.

P99 Everquest: My torched and dual wielding pet just killed me after I used it to kill 10 mobs in 5 mins. Can someone log my Rez bot cleric parked here so I can be back up and running in 5 mins?
^^ This

As a semi casual enchanter main, without a bunch of level 60s to assist and no rez bot outside of guild requests, I can assure you that solo charming is a much riskier venture than some would have you believe.
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Old 03-23-2023, 01:04 PM
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Classic EverQuest: My dial up internet went out and then charm broke and I died. There goes an hour of experience I have to get back since I probably won’t get a Rez.
But doing anything in classic was like that. Necromancers died when their dial up internet went out too, but you didn't see them giving up on soloing because of it.

Again, it's only Enchanters who have changed their core role from classic to P99.
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Old 03-23-2023, 01:24 PM
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Resist changes during Luclin were actually an extensive change that, as far as I remember, started the more widespread use of charming.

People knew how to do basic recharming way before that. More unpredictable resists just made it a lot less reliable than it is on P99.
Hmm there was a post trilogy resist/spell/melee rebanalnce, wasn’t there? Part of it was a rebalance of max damage to be just 2dmg+db. Sad times.
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Old 03-23-2023, 02:13 PM
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Think about how bad the average p99 player today is.

Now think about how bad the average eq player was in 2000.

Thats why charm is more prevalent.
One of my favorite stories from live is that we had a 60 or maybe 65 shaman. I forget if it was Luclin or PoP, but he was a senior member of our fine hardcore raiding guild. Anyhow, the bloke eventually worked up the courage to ask how other people were able to cast spells with NPCs attacking them. Long story short, the guy never trained channeling.
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Old 03-23-2023, 02:18 PM
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More unpredictable resists just made it a lot less reliable than it is on P99.
People keep saying this like it's facts but is there any proof other than "it feels different because enchanters in my groups didn't charm back then"?
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