Green 2.0 advice

[htabdoolb]

I think the biggest problem with Manastone is that it is just absolutely, ridiculously overpowered. It was removed because it should never have been made in the first place. So of course everyone, and especially every cleric, wants one. The solution is to just make the damned thing expendable. Give it ten charges, and then it's much more balanced. Maybe even make it rechargeable too, for the low low price of 10k.

Seriously, fuck manastone. It's a trash item that subverts intended mechanics and trivialized the game.

[Woodark]

Originally Posted by DeliciousHalflings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is stupider than the kid who won't stop bitching about losing a single Scryer spawn like a week ago. Never suggest anything ever again. This is fucking bad and unworkable on multiple levels.

Please explain why it’s a bad idea.

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by htabdoolb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the biggest problem with Manastone is that it is just absolutely, ridiculously overpowered. It was removed because it should never have been made in the first place. So of course everyone, and especially every cleric, wants one. The solution is to just make the damned thing expendable. Give it ten charges, and then it's much more balanced. Maybe even make it rechargeable too, for the low low price of 10k.

Seriously, fuck manastone. It's a trash item that subverts intended mechanics and trivialized the game.

That's such a slippery slope, though. While Manastone is definitely broken and should never have been in the game in the first place, the fact of the matter is that it was. If they start nerfing items because they're too good, it opens the floodgates for players to demand all manner of idiotic balance changes. I realize they actually have done this a few times with things like Ivandyr's Hoop, but that was a case where the item was gamebreaking even past the scope of classic.

Since Manastone can only be used in classic zones, and not even in the planes, it has a pretty limited impact in the grand scheme of things. Even for druids and wizards who can port back there and use it, its range of effectiveness isn't that great. You can mostly just do it when quad-kiting solo or whatever. It's not as if having a Manastone makes you a vastly better cleric throughout the whole P99 timeline.

Manastone's impact on actual gameplay is kind of overblown once the server is in Kunark. Its value has more to do with the rarity, novelty and near-mythical status of the item. If we look at what the item actually does, it's not worth a fraction of what people try to sell them for. I'd go so far as to say that Circlet of Shadow is a better item across the full timeline of a server, but since it's much more common, it just doesn't cost very much even when the server is years past the point where it stops dropping.

[Insaiyan]

Legacy items are fucking stupid. If you say they’re not, you probably have one?

[Coridan]

I'm fine with Rubicite staying in, because the replacements were better

[DeliciousHalflings]

Originally Posted by Woodark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please explain why it’s a bad idea.

Requiring JBoots, or any item, is asinine. Level req is dumb. If someone can kill it, they'll kill it.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeliciousHalflings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Requiring JBoots, or any item, is asinine. Level req is dumb. If someone can kill it, they'll kill it.

Or if you have mates that can help you kill it. Or if you have the resources to purchase assistance killing it.

[Soothsayer]

Hot take: Green 2.0 should be a moderately tweaked "plus" server now that the original vision for EQ classic has been fulfilled with the implementation of the last patch of Green 1.0. No huge overhauls, just sensible changes that make the experience better and more accessible for more people. Remove the stupid, obnoxious legacy items, class balance tweaks to make more classes competitive across all classic eras in both group and raid settings, and make changes to raid targets (decreased spawn timers, giving more raid targets shared loot pool, etc) to mitigate the notorious toxicity of P99 raiding.

If purists want the original, 100% unaltered experience, there's always Blue.

[Woodark]

Originally Posted by DeliciousHalflings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Requiring JBoots, or any item, is asinine. Level req is dumb. If someone can kill it, they'll kill it.

There already was a minimum level requirement for the manastone list. Increasing it to 50 and allowing characters to complete once would make it difficult to repeat. The devs already have the ability to configure these list settings so itÂ’s an easy solution.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Woodark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There already was a minimum level requirement for the manastone list. Increasing it to 50 and allowing characters to complete once would make it difficult to repeat. The devs already have the ability to configure these list settings so itÂ’s an easy solution.

It would give a strange edge to fast leveling classes that really don’t need further boosting. It also premiers the nolifers even further.

You’ll have neckbeards playing class they don’t enjoy to max level fast so they can camp only for 24hrs i order to get a manastone so they can play the class they actually want to play until they end up having to raid park it 90% of the time and never really play it. Batphones at 4am for 3 years and then get a ST legacy item and feel really empty inside.