How much would you donate for a new Green?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This.

Someone like Rogean or Nilbog doesn't dedicate the massive amount of time and energy it takes to keep this place running because they are motivated by money (especially when that money is a drop in the bucket vs. what professional developers/dev ops makes, ie. $150k+/year).

They do it for the love of the game. So, it stands to reason that if they ever lose interest, money won't help re-motivate them. The only way it might is just as a signal that "people are excited about this place" ... not for the actual donation itself.

That's the point of the intellectual exercise of seeing what people would donate and what number you could get it up to. At some point there is a number that would motivate someone

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you mean to tell me if someone dangled a $1m carrot in front of rogean for green 2.0 he wouldnt get it done?

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At some point there is a number that would motivate someone

I mean, in the abstract you are both correct. In the real world however, we're talking (at best) an order of magnitude of thousands of dollars.

Let's generously assume the community can raise $5k (100 donations of $50). Let's also assume Rogean makes $180k/year ie. $15k/month (a rough but reasonable number for senior dev ops).

In other words, at best Rogean can get 1/3rd of one month's salary in exchange for years of maintaining an entire server ... such a deal! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said before, Rogean has never been doing this for the money: he has to have been doing it for the love of the game, and it's only that, not $$$, that will keep him doing it.

[Elijah850]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, in the abstract you are both correct. In the real world however, we're talking (at best) an order of magnitude of thousands of dollars.

Let's generously assume the community can raise $5k (100 donations of $50). Let's also assume Rogean makes $180k/year ie. $15k/month (a rough but reasonable number for senior dev ops).

In other words, at best Rogean can get 1/3rd of one month's salary in exchange for years of maintaining an entire server ... such a deal! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I said before, Rogean has never been doing this for the money: he has to have been doing it for the love of the game, and it's only that, not $$$, that will keep him doing it.

If I thought donating would help I might be willing, but I think Loramin is probably real close to reality. I have faith they will make another fresh server, but not going to hold my breath.

I could care less if they wipe or merge existing servers, but my guess is whatever comes will attempt to cater to and mitigate all the haters they would get with any outcome other than keeping existing servers in some way.

Not like any other MMORPGs with the longevity of classic EQ are releasing soon. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Rimitto]

The servers are located in the northeast, currently everything up in that area costs an arm and a leg.

If you want a new server, it's time to look at the policies choking out that region.
hint hint, when the cost of living comes down, the server costs ALSO come down.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Rimitto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The servers are located in the northeast, currently everything up in that area costs an arm and a leg.

If you want a new server, it's time to look at the policies choking out that region.
hint hint, when the cost of living comes down, the server costs ALSO come down.

I haven't heard anything about their infrastructure in years, but awhile back Rogean posted a picture of a (physical/rack) server. I'm pretty sure he maintains the server himself (no AWS/cloud stuff), and I would imagine he doesn't want to drive to a 3rd world country every time a hard drive fails [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But even if he wasn't, costs aren't that different, and the North East isn't actually the most expensive area, at least going by AWS costs (the West is: https://openupthecloud.com/which-aws-region-cheapest/).

Plus, even if he's not somehow using the same host/cage as his real business (which I suspect he might) I'm sure by doing all the dev ops work himself P99 is getting a great deal on hosting.

Which brings me to ...

Originally Posted by Elijah850 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I thought donating would help I might be willing, but I think Loramin is probably real close to reality. I have faith they will make another fresh server, but not going to hold my breath.

I'd argue you shouldn't donate to get a new server ... but you should donate. Even if Rogean didn't lose money on P99 (and I imagine he does), the guy has literally given years of his life to make this place possible (as has Nilbog and many other hard-working volunteers).

Making sure he's not out of pocket seems like the least we can do.

[Swish]

Host new green in Europe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Duik]

I dont think its the hosting costs but rather the tiny whiney man babies that would keep any sane person the fuck away from here.

[Rimitto]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But even if he wasn't, costs aren't that different, and the North East isn't actually the most expensive area, at least going by AWS costs (the West is: https://openupthecloud.com/which-aws-region-cheapest/).

I was actually more referring to energy costs. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Ok, but energy cost are only relevant to P99 when they impact hosting costs. P99 is not a bitcoin mining operation.

[Rimitto]

I could swear you out and point out the stupidity of your statement but let me just ask you this.

In what world would lowering the energy costs NOT help the server?