the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Sacred right" is too strong a term, but I don't lose any sleep over it being a protected elective. If you want to convince me to side differently (and you could--I'm a man so it doesn't affect me and I do not feel super strongly) you'll need to use some argument not inspired directly or indirectly by religion. I do not regard all potential life as some sort of invaluable treasure and hence I'm content to leave such things up to the woman.
Danth

I used sacred specifically as the bill of rights and constitution is very highly regarded or exalted so much to be almost religious in and of itself when discussing enumerated rights. Satanism is worship of the self. There is no act more selfish than killing your own child to make your life easier.

You are technically correct. Secular right just doesn't have that zing though.


Have you truly thought about it though?

You were a child in the womb once.

It becomes a human at the moment of conception, dna that is uniquely their own. Self replicating cells proving it is alive.

Is it a question of potential value? How easy is it to say out loud "there is no immediate value in this unborn human, flush it down the toilet" Say it out loud, I'm willing to bet it feels wrong to say.

Is the value of the stem cells more important than the potential value the child could bring? Will that child have more value to their family, friends, neighborhood than some NBA star getting his knees fixed over in france?


There is no good justification for abortion on demand. Its all predicated on the minority of fringe cases to justify abortion for convenience.

Are you truly just OK with abortion just because?

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All you bible thumping trailer trash sound the same to me.

You should write your house rep about how the bible thumping Trailor trash are trying to take away your abortions and demand action.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that is quite the line from a so-called anarchist.

They can choose not to get pregnant too. (here comes some wacko to use the rape card to justify mindless killing)

I will gladly take up the moniker of biggest idiot in the world before forcing myself to accept the lies that men can become women, vise-versa and abortion should be some sacred right.

not surprising, considering how poorly you understand so many other things that you'd misunderstand something as slippery as anarchy. yes, i believe you have the right to choose to be opposed to trans people i guess, it just seems like a stupid hill to die on. it's like being opposed to rocks, something that just... exists whether you like it or not.

you can't choose pregnancy, you can choose not to have sex. don't put the cart before the horse. this is all about leaving all options on the table. the abortions happen, legal or not. only safe abortions are outlawed in the states that outlaw them. that's also why i know the christofascist right will go for a national ban as soon as they can.

the right supports all kinds of other shit that both prevents potential people from existing and kills existing children. all kinds of mindless killing, as you said. but that's all okay, somehow. it maintains the hierarchy they benefit from. that's all moral but the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy is apparently immoral. the sliding scale of conservative morals. yet again.

both sets of contradictory positions accomplish a single goal: they maintain the hierarchy that the white supremacist right benefits from. every conservative position boils down to maintaining that hierarchy: the status quo.

if i had a dime for every time i've run into you guys saying shit that is easily disproven by the other things you say you believe, i wouldn't need to worry about the colossal hospital bills coming my way in a few months.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you know that?

Because we're not a socialist country so it would turn America into blade runner.

Its like the plot to The Boys, but with an economy instead of super powers.

Only the people should have that kind of wealth but they'd make it so only a few people had all of it.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Rethalis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you truly just OK with abortion just because?

More or less, yeah. I have no particular personal issue with a parent terminating an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason. Talking about things like satanism will fall on deaf ears so save the effort, but I'm open to logical discussions if you want to take that route. I don't feel particularly strongly about it, unlike apparently most people, so you can actually engage me in that discussion without it turning into a flame-war if you wish.

Danth

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More or less, yeah. I have no particular personal issue with a parent terminating an unwanted pregnancy for whatever reason. Talking about things like satanism will fall on deaf ears so save the effort, but I'm open to logical discussions if you want to take that route. I don't feel particularly strongly about it, unlike apparently most people, so you can actually engage me in that discussion without it turning into a flame-war if you wish.

Danth

bill burr also holds this position according to his latest standup act, the live at red rocks one.

[Rethalis]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not surprising, considering how poorly you understand so many other things that you'd misunderstand something as slippery as anarchy. yes, i believe you have the right to choose to be opposed to trans people i guess, it just seems like a stupid hill to die on. it's like being opposed to rocks, something that just... exists whether you like it or not.

you can't choose pregnancy, you can choose not to have sex. don't put the cart before the horse. this is all about leaving all options on the table. the abortions happen, legal or not. only safe abortions are outlawed in the states that outlaw them. that's also why i know the christofascist right will go for a national ban as soon as they can.

the right supports all kinds of other shit that both prevents potential people from existing and kills existing children. all kinds of mindless killing, as you said. but that's all okay, somehow. it maintains the hierarchy they benefit from. that's all moral but the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy is apparently immoral. the sliding scale of conservative morals. yet again.

both sets of contradictory positions accomplish a single goal: they maintain the hierarchy that the white supremacist right benefits from. every conservative position boils down to maintaining that hierarchy: the status quo.

if i had a dime for every time i've run into you guys saying shit that is easily disproven by the other things you say you believe, i wouldn't need to worry about the colossal hospital bills coming my way in a few months.

I have heard your argument a million times, not just from you. No matter what action one takes, someone will suffer somewhere so you can't take a position on anything at all ever unless you join the revolution and bring down all the hierarchy's.

History has shown there was always nations that were super powers, always struggling for dominance. I will gladly suppport USA, the second greatest document in human history, the best country humanity has ever seen. Because there will always be a super power, I will gladly support a world led by the USA rather than alternatives.

I don't believe for a second you and your ilk and what you wish for will be any better than what is had now. What is going to keep those same hierarchies from popping up again? Are you going to stamp it down, with the same fascist conviction that you despise?

God commanding you to leave grapes on the vine, is very different than a government putting a gun to you head and taking them.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bill burr also holds this position according to his latest standup act, the live at red rocks one.

And Richard Burr supports a child tax credit.

Probably his dad. Lol.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bill burr also holds this position according to his latest standup act, the live at red rocks one.

As an aside, how do you reconcile your anarchist preference with tragedy of the commons-type situations that humans are all so prone to? Do you regard it as an unattainable ideal? Humans tend to be pretty greedy creatures, after all. I'm curious as to how you'd want to see it work if put into practice without society devolving into famine and shortage. Direct response or PM is fine (admittedly it's off the present track) but I am curious about how you would handle those problems.

[robayon]

guess you missed the communist part of anarcho-communist. big emphasis on the commune aspect.

you're criticizing potentials, things that don't exist that i'd like to see exist, things that have never existed before. trying something new that hasn't been tried at scale. i'm criticizing existing structures. that's not a real rebuttal. your positions are still at odds with one another. you're still a hypocrite. you're still supporting one set of dead babies and opposing another. i'm opposing them all.

you lack the ability to dream and you're mad at me about it.