Possible for Ukraine to beat back Russia?

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you believe that drug dealers, or drug suppliers are the problem?

Do you think crime in poor communities, is because of the communities, or do you think because of the system that creates them?

Fair enough, but if we're talking about systems, was our "system" made fundamentally different somehow between Trump leaving office and Biden entering it? I don't think much changed at all, other than the type of things the guys said. The actions of government are mostly the same for both of these guys.

Can't imagine Biden pandering to Putin would go easily with our Euro allies, Putin seems cannier than that and he had beef with Obama.

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't necessarily demand competence.

I half suspect they cooled their heels between annexing Crimea and invading Ukraine proper, while Trump was in office, because nobody quite knew how that cukoo would react. Sometimes instability can have a deterrent effect. Obama and Biden are stable, predictable, and sane. Those men are not going to start WW3 over a modest eastern European nation. But Trump? If he's half the unstable megalomaniac madman the left spent 4 years describing him as, who can be entirely sure?

It worked with Ronald Reagan. But I don't think he had the friendly personal relationship with the Russian head of state that Donnie does, unless I have forgotten a lot about the 80's.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doesn't necessarily demand competence.

I half suspect they cooled their heels between annexing Crimea and invading Ukraine proper, while Trump was in office, because nobody quite knew how that cukoo would react. Sometimes instability can have a deterrent effect. Obama and Biden are stable, predictable, and sane. Those men are not going to start WW3 over a modest eastern European nation. But Trump? If he's half the unstable megalomaniac madman the left spent 4 years describing him as, who can be entirely sure?

Madman theory

[Jibartik]

Can't imagine Biden pandering to Putin would go easily with our Euro allies, Putin seems cannier than that and he had beef with Obama.

he was pandering to them like gobbling their ballsacks last time an adminsitration he was a part of was in the whitehosue, here's his secretary of state at the time:

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They literally did a 180 when they threw our post cold war progress under the bus when they tried to usurp our democracy and steel the fairly won election in 2016

so it'd be hard to go back on all those lies, yeah, but doable.

The man thing was you dont go on TV and say, "if it's a minor incursion, after the debacle in Afghanistan, and the uncertain economy and because I am trying to pass an insane spending bill, we'll have to talk about what to do."

Or you're going to empower your enemies.

[Jibartik]

Can't imagine Biden pandering to Putin would go easily with our Euro allies, Putin seems cannier than that and he had beef with Obama.

you dont even have to pander, this was harsher stance on Russia than any democrat stance. (up until the democrats blew the whole thing up lol)

[Encroaching Death]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you dont even have to pander, this was harsher stance on Russia than any democrat stance. (up until the democrats blew the whole thing up lol)

He tells them right to their face LOL

Man, he was the best.

And guess what? He was 100% right. Germany is about to freeze to death [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because he slipped up and said, "if it's a minor incursion, we'll have to talk about what to do." And the next day Putin announced a minor incurion into Ukraine.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again: don's tough talk, and drone striking of high ranking military officials, is why there was on pause for 4 years.

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Trump was a blip that didn’t matter. This was the course Russia and Putin have charted. We don’t control them. All we can do is ask ourselves do we invite further bull shit with weakness, or do we help a people clearly wanting to fight bloody a bully who is totally and unequivocally in the wrong?

But yeah man, Russia probably wins this (if they don’t, boy oh boy what an embarrassing and colossal fuckup). At least this way they have to earn it and maybe people there get tired of the bull shit like what’s happening now in Iran.

[Jibartik]

A blip of peace.

Originally Posted by Kaveh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what provokes a bully? Weakness.

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You know what provokes a bully? Weakness.

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You know what provokes a bully? Weakness.

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You know what provokes a bully? Weakness.

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You know what provokes a bully? Weakness.

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You know what provokes a bully? Weakness.

[Kaveh]

Trump had 4 more years max. We have to continually elect lunatics with their finger on the trigger to stop Putin? Putin gets to elect our leaders for us?

We’ve been over this. It makes no sense. Either way, I’m with the Ukrainians because I was in Iran when saddam invaded. I know what it’s like to see your country get destroyed by a despotic piece of shit

I also don’t agree that trump stopped anything. Armenia got genocided on his watch and he did nothing

[Jibartik]

Turkey mass executed Armenian prisoners of war last week on video with machine guns, and they're our #1 ally right now on the world stage.

Trump had 4 more years max.

cancer old man Putin had 4 more years max too.

As time progresses there is less and less chance of an invasion when he's closer and closer to deaths door and people already planning transitions of power (through trade with the west!).

If we were friends with them (like the citziens are were), then we could have transitioned to a better world through peace.

Look at the mobilization, people are fleeing like crazy, because the people wanted peace, and the older and less secure putin is, the better chance we had at it.

The more we alienated Russia, the more power we gave him.

All we had to do was stroke his ego while we buttfucked them politically, like we've always done for another couple years.

[Kaveh]

Yep, Biden isn’t doing shit either. They’re definitely not our #1 ally though

If they try to delay Sweden and Finland’s NATO accessions, they’ll be booted from NATO if Erdogan wins re-election in ‘23. Turkey has 85% inflation this year though, so hopefully his genocidal ass gets fired