Possible for Ukraine to beat back Russia?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's gonna turn out the only thing that was real is aliens.

I forget if I linked this to you already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism

[During 1998 Raël established the Order of Angels, an internal all-female group whose members are largely sequestered from wider society and tasked with training themselves to become the consorts of the Elohim.

[Jibartik]

Nice, not heard of that, speaking of real religions it turns out russia arrested jesus christ right before they started ww3?

[Encroaching Death]

Breaking News at 11: RUSSIA ARRESTS JESUS

[Jibartik]

Knock Knock* Whos there? The KGB!

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[Kaveh]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Susprises me a bit as well, but maybe not for the same reason. Rather I understand that smaller-yield tactical nuclear weapons are not some sort of world-ending monster, heck not necessarily even leave unmanageable radioactive contamination, so there's little practical reason NOT to use them where they'd be effective. They're kept in reserve almost entirely due to public and political pressures and due to stigma. Hence the surprise: Governments, including ours, are so frequently immoral and unethical and dismissive of public opinion that I'm moderately surprised the public gets its way on that one when it gets its way on so little else.

On the other end of it, city-destroying weapons yielding hundreds of kilotons or megaton+ are inappropriate for a conflict like in Ukraine where the participants do actually want to keep and use the areas involved. No sense conquering something if you level it and leave it a barren ruin. Note also that prevailing wind conditions mean a lot of fallout from high-yield weapons (especially if used for groundbursts, like you would when cratering runways) would also land back on Russia itself, making that an even more unattractive prospect even if political factors weren't in consideration.

Danth

A nuke used by Russia makes this untenable for fence sitting powers. Russia still has friends and partners. It becomes harder if a nuke is used. How many of Russia’s “allies” in Central Asia and the Caucasus secretly fear being on the receiving end of the Ukraine treatment and are pushing for more guarantees by China? Imagine how much worse that gets on a global scale if a nuke is used

It’s one thing to label this invasion as a “special military operation.” It’s another to use a nuke in a densely populated country of globally significant farmland while maintaining the lie that you’re only removing Nazis to protect the Russian population after you’ve nuked them

I also guarantee a nuke brings in overt western military support. Does it bring in ours? I’d think so, but who knows. 100% it’d bring in Poland and Finland, either of which tips the conventional military fight into Russia is fucked territory. If any nuclear armed western power steps in, Russia is gone.

I also wonder what China is saying behind the scenes. I’d be willing to guess they look forward to how this plays out. They win if Russia wins and they win if Russia loses and becomes their vassal. They certainly do not win if Russia uses a nuke and they are basically forced by global public opinion to join sanctions (not to mention the very real possibility that that leads to global nuclear conflict). I don’t like China, but I’d guess they’re smart enough to tell Putin not to use a nuke. Whether he or anyone else in Russia is smart enough to listen is beyond any of us

[magnetaress]

The slow burn has already started ^^^^ ppl will be looking to decouple their economies from Russia garanteed. Less businessmen will be intereted in russian assets. Etc etc --- This was the case b4 but now its for serious

Putin doesn't care he believes in absolute communist authoritarianism old sckhool russian KGB style. So doesn't matter if these ppl are 'partners' he'll do it all in Russia.

Putin has correctly seen any and all ties to the west as corruptive and ammoral (they are, he's actually 100% right in this), the west destroys nations as they develop economies by turning ppl lame. Making them fat, lazy, decadent, and dependent. it's 100% the truth.

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Just wanted ya'll to know I agree with u guys (reiwa and encroaching) (and jib)

[Jibartik]

Both sides are really bad.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by magnetaress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Putin has correctly seen any and all ties to the west as corruptive and ammoral (they are, he's actually 100% right in this), the west destroys nations as they develop economies by turning ppl lame. Making them fat, lazy, decadent, and dependent. it's 100% the truth.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fortunately for you fats in 2022 overweight people don't exist according to your Ronald God.

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[Horza]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both sides are really bad.

Imagine stanning for Putin still even after his military has collapsed trying to conquer a country a quarter the size of Russia lmao

[Jibartik]

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