What classes benefit most from gear progression

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a straight fight, would a BIS fully itemized monk beat a BIS fully itemized warrior, face to face tanking/dpsing each other?

The monk would naked..

So if the warrior can beat the monk fully geared, then the warrior gets the most benefit.

That's if class power is based purely on the ability to avoid, take, and put out damage in a rock em sock em 1v1 duel though. Those restrictions wouldn't allow players to showcase much in terms of know-how, which is why the BotB tournaments always seemed out of place personally, at least on PvE servers. Even on PvP servers, you still have to account for the environment and its NPCs, unlike in the Arena.

A class that has shadowstep can go from the top of the gorge in OT to the bottom without taking fall damage. A class with gravflux can launch themselves back up to drop-off points. A class with feign death run headlong into a pack of mobs and be safely out of range of opponents, swapping in worn regen items until ready to restart the fight. It's a different kind of power but no less powerful, and some gear upgrades allow for more of it.

[shovelquest]

But we're talking pure itemization here, not skill.

Skill should not be involved in this at all. Two characters monk/warrior.

Face tanking. Auto attacking, ̶u̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶c̶s̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶m̶e̶l̶e̶e̶ ̶a̶b̶i̶l̶i̶t̶i̶e̶s̶,̶ and letting RNG and mitigation sort the rest.

Which would win by how much?

I guess theres a reasonable argument to determine which class has the most game changing utility items, and how much benefit you get from those that you'd not already get from spellbook spells etc.

Warrior does have a lot of utility items that provide abilities that they don't get without gear, so that's a more robust discussion than just pure hp/ac/dps provided by gear.

But in the context of monk vs warrior, I am curious BIS in terms of raw DPS/mitigation, which one gets more benefit from the gear than the other.

I agree a monk can do more than a warrior, but that is because of FD and Mend and stuff. In fact if we were to remove disc/abilities and just do pure dps output from warrior vs monk and dps mitigation from gear... that would probably be more of a control than allowing mend/dics's because you can do those without gear.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But we're talking pure itemization here, not skill.

Skill should not be involved in this at all. Two characters monk/warrior.

Face tanking. Auto attacking, using discs and other melee abilities, and letting RNG and mitigation sort the rest.

Which would win by how much?

For sure, if that's its own separate conversation within the larger discussion. It is interesting in its own right, similar to raid NPC 1v1s that were showcased a while back.

The title does ask though, which class benefits the most? Those benefits apply to all aspects of the game, not just PvP but PvE. And gear progression can't be reduced to 1v1 hit or miss, even in PvP, because much of that progress is more nuanced.

[Snaggles]

An Abashi is like 11% better ratio than the Palladius Axe of Slaughter. That’s a massive difference.

Hypothetically a 60 monk vs 60 warrior with the same attack power and a Shovel of the Harvest? It’s probably closer than one would think, especially if the warrior is rolling out at <45% health and offensive discing. A few big crippling blows (or even crits) can move the parse.

[cd288]

I think you'd be surprised how often a Monk could come out on top in that fight, even without abilities/discs being used.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you'd be surprised how often a Monk could come out on top in that fight, even without abilities/discs being used.

I don’t main either class, just throwing out an example that’s a bit more rational than “BiS vs BiS”. Running a zerk warrior has limited uses anyways.

I’m not surprised by much, tbh.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Selene [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which classes benefit the most from gear upgrades from 1-60 and then raid gear/rare drops? I think one of the most fun aspects of this game and why everyone plays is to see how a new piece of gear fundamentally changes the way a class is played or at least provides such a power-up in the class that it almost seems like a new class to play.

I heard warrior benefits a lot, but what are the top contenders? I’d think most pure casters don’t really benefit except for wizard (jboots).

Let’s hear it!

The answer is necro. Gearing them out fundamentally changes the way they play when you can start face tanking stuff given how channeling works on p99. Adding bis gear to their already ridiculous toolkit just makes them even more fun. There’s pretty much no where I wouldn’t go on a geared necro.

I’d give monks/sks as the next ones. Having gear and FD allows you to stretch the limits.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t main either class, just throwing out an example that’s a bit more rational than “BiS vs BiS”. Running a zerk warrior has limited uses anyways.

I’m not surprised by much, tbh.

Oh sorry I was talking to the warrior guy

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The answer is necro. Gearing them out fundamentally changes the way they play when you can start face tanking stuff given how channeling works on p99. Adding bis gear to their already ridiculous toolkit just makes them even more fun. There’s pretty much no where I wouldn’t go on a geared necro.

I’d give monks/sks as the next ones. Having gear and FD allows you to stretch the limits.

What gear for Necro?

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What gear for Necro?

thats true, is bone knight possible because of gear alone?