WTF is going on.

[razorz]

So there I was in this hallway, right?

[President]

Originally Posted by razorz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So there I was in this hallway, right?

Nice reference Razorz... http://bash.org/?99060

[Segoris]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are dumb. Of course I can back it up.


If a GM allows an individual to come back / stay on the server, why wouldn't I agree with their judgment call? When I talked to Tiki on ventrilo, it seemed to me like it was a genuine misunderstanding.

Regardless of the circumstances, his use of any program against the server rules never once effected the raids or how they were organized.

I can understand it being a misunderstanding the first time being kicked (people playing an EMU don't really think 3rd party programs are cheating as it's not live, I can understand that), but the second time? How can that second time possibly be a misunderstanding? It's cut and dry after the first time, 3rd party programs are against the rules, no ifs, ands, or buts. I can only think of one single reason it could be viewed as a misunderstanding a second time, and it's a really far fucking stretch and would require a lot of stupidity, laziness, and ignorance by the end user.

Additionally, I'd say your backing up previous actions of taking back in a known cheater is weak in this case. The GMs rulings aren't exactly all that great and are far from consistent as possible as far as discipline goes that I've seen. Dblock destroys cleric arms in hate that aren't his and what's his punishment for that? That's a serious question since I don't believe there was a punishment. Compare that to Taluvill destroying two masks and getting two weeks forced-vacation. If Dblock did get a week ban (and not just a week off Dblock account if they are seperate while he plays another character) for destroying one item while Talu gets two weeks for destroying two items, that would be the second good call I've seen since I've been on this server.

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to take a look at our track record, you'd see that we've kicked every known hacker/exploiter/potential two boxer that has effected our guild straight to Nilbog's doorstep.

Apparently that's more than you can say.

Proof? Names? (Edit: Normally I could understand not naming names, but in this case as it's people you are obviously against I see no reason to withhold them, /End Edit) Talu can say he's reported just as many of his own and that would be as credible as your last paragraph at this point. So your whole post is on an equal level with this entire thread, pointless. It backs up nothing.

Now Otto, I'm not responding with the intent to argue, rather I'm being serious and hoping you do back this shit up so some people can stfu and just get back to business. This is a dumb thread that shouldn't have been created in the first place and just further fuels the flames of retardation that makes raiding more of a bitchfest and less of good quality competition at the moment. This is coming from someone who's not drinking the kool-aid of the cult that thinks anyone who gets a named mob is using 3rd party programs (Edit: that isn't just Trans there either, I've talked with people from other guilds as well, /End Edit). I know some of the IB trackers and see the work and effort they put in and respect that. But I've also seen some shit from IB that couldn't be explained in any other way but to suspect cheating. It does get reported and then I move on.

[Maximus]

I think we are veering off topic when we go backtracking to game mechanic defects that have been previously stated (Phinny, Mayong, numerous raid bosses for both guilds. bleh bleh)
At the same time, we are also veering offtopic when we move in the other direction and mention the use of cheats (Ie. third party software, macroquest, showeq, TIKI).
If we can get past Otto's claims and finger pointing about how bad Transcedence is and has been, past Goobles relentless statements of the obvious guild drama, thru Karsten's Divine Shield of Truth, and left of Hasbinbad's ridiculous waste of time, we can finally get back on topic.
I am not seeing any consistency in the punishment guidelines. I am not rationally understanding how GMs are determining a mob belongs to someone and under what basis. when one follows the rules by the book and gets the shaft, it leaves room for questioning.
And i can look past the numerous suspicious events that happen in favor of IB (Dragons being popped on the day hate came out, with patches stating that dragons would never be popped because of a patch). i don't care. Im having too much fun playing this game to let this worry me.
I just want fair judgement by the GM staff when it comes to punishment of broken rules.

Mythoxxus

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we can get past Otto's claims and finger pointing about how bad Transcedence is and has been, past Goobles relentless statements of the obvious guild drama, thru Karsten's Divine Shield of Truth, and left of Hasbinbad's ridiculous waste of time

That's right Trannyscendence, ignore everything but your own agenda, (badly) attempt to mock those who disagree with you (srsly, you can't even mock GOOBLES decently??), weather the little slaps on wrists you get for your wicked ways, and whine until papa GM pops mobz for you.

This is why you're a joke.

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by Maximus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not rationally understanding how GMs are determining a mob belongs to someone and under what basis.

I'll start this off by saying I don't think I've ever actually talked to you, but you seem like a good enough guy, Mythoxxus.

The problem is it seems to be a case-by-case basis. Any time a raid target spawns with loot 3 guilds all want, and something happens that isn't cut and dry, the GM has to hear 3 sides of the story (of which the whole truth may never be proven) and come up with a solution that he sees best fit. We all have to understand that incorrect calls can and will be made, both benefiting and hurting our respective guilds. If it were up to me, I'd vote no GM involvement at all and have the players sort things out on their own. We also have to remember the devs and GMs are doing this for free and on their own time. Things get heated, tempers flare and harsh words are thrown out by all sides, and a GM has to come and try his best to defuse the situation. I know I wouldn't want to be in that position.

I guess what I'm trying to say is we'll never have a 100% bullet-proof system in regards to who claims what and when. When GM intervention is called for, we all need to respect the outcome...Trans, IB, Divinity, Gothic Circle, Fish Bait, Europa, whoever. Before It was a CT spawn, this time it was a pair of monk masks, next time it could be a Cloak of Flames.

[Pheer]

Care to elaborate on this "shit that can't be explained" satsui?

[Segoris]

I will if you would quote the part you want explained. I never used the phrase "shit that can't be explained." My guess is you mean the one case where I could imagine someone being allowed back in a second time?

[President]

Originally Posted by Segoris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will if you would quote the part you want explained. I never used the phrase "shit that can't be explained." My guess is you mean the one case where I could imagine someone being allowed back in a second time?

There was only one place in your post where you mentioned "can't be explained" in reference to IB, and an IB member is asking you to clarify. Put 2 and 2 together...

[Segoris]

Originally Posted by President [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was only one place in your post where you mentioned "can't be explained" in reference to IB, and an IB member is asking you to clarify. Put 2 and 2 together...

Yeah I got it and then work beckoned, hence the delay on my response.