Senate fails the country again.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...but those guys up in Alaska, they're whackos, they're idiots. They're staying off the grid. Terrible idea, obviously paedophiles, devil worshippers and Taliban sympathizers.

I keep an open mind, if that makes me retarded then cool - I'm dribbling and screaming while I'm doing my colouring in books [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol dude, I don't have to justify my ridiculing of a group of crazy people who think the black helicopter government apocalypse is coming.

It stands on it's own to any person with a room temperature IQ or above.

If you, in any remote way, think that doomsday preppers are "admirable" and that anyone should "keep an open mind" about them.. then you are either #1) medically retarded or #2) have just trolled the shit out of me and I tip my hat to you.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know what? I really can't gauge the American psyche and never have been able to [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tons of you are religious and give millions to the church every year, tons of you are gun owners who want to keep hold of the guns you own...

...but those guys up in Alaska, they're whackos, they're idiots. They're staying off the grid. Terrible idea, obviously paedophiles, devil worshippers and Taliban sympathizers.

I keep an open mind, if that makes me retarded then cool - I'm dribbling and screaming while I'm doing my colouring in books [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think anyone can gauge the American psyche. Interesting though to examine what ideas we think are normal and what are whacko, and what ideas will be abandoned in twenty years.

Good that you got an open mind, in my opinion at least.

[Humerox]

Nobody has brought up the fact that the bill wasn't "defeated" at all.

The vote on a bipartisan bill backed by the majority of Americans was blocked by a special-interest minority.

Revel in the fact that Fascism has trumped Freedom.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The vote on a bipartisan bill backed by the majority of Americans was blocked by a special-interest minority.

Please cite sources that prove that the majority of Americans supported the bill.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please cite sources that prove that the majority of Americans supported the bill.

If you need that you're uninformed. Or you restrict your viewing to Fox News and the Rush Limbaugh show. Either way, it's a fact.

You're missing the point, however. A MINORITY in the Senate blocked a bipartisan VOTE with a filibuster. Grats to the "winnerz" who think they live in a democracy instead of a Fascist state.

If the bill had been VOTED down I wouldn't need to say a damn thing.

[Swish]

Well I don't want to get personal, I'm just saying that there's some crazy shit in America... but among it all I don't put militias down as being a terrible thing.

Not trolling/not retarded...and there's a difference between militias and people who spend $50,000+ on an underground nuclear shelter for their family.

[SamwiseRed]

liberalism = mental disorder?

last time i checked liberalism was for equality and liberty, kinda what america is all about. someone been watching too much fox news.

im pro 2nd amendment btw, not because the liberal media told me to be, but because i think its a right. i do however think there are some flaws in the current system of obtaining a weapon. mostly because people are retarded and dont give a fuck about who they sell too as long as they make dat dollar.

btw if liberals are mental, what in gods name are conservatives lol

[Swish]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people are retarded

A lot of things are justified because of this. They're still trying to bring in ID cards in the UK but people don't want it...if you need my ID you can look at my driver's license.

Matter of time before some "illegal immigrant" blows up a train/bus/building here and there will be fresh calls for ID cards, and again a portion of people will go along with it because they read a shocking story in the Daily Mail about how such a terrible event was allowed to happen.

[Samoht]

sociology != criminology

amirite?

i'm guessing you're not going to oblige because the statistics will not back your position.

now lets get into the actual meaning behind the gun change laws. in the recent events of sandy hook and aurora, a couple of outliers committed crimes against civilians. they are outliers in two ways: a large majority of people will never commit these kinds of crimes, and the weapons they used are not the weapons normally used in these kinds of crimes.

the reality is that these people needed help, and our health care system failed them.

gun control isn't going to stop the next sandy hook or aurora. if you look at the UK as an example, they had a rise in crime for a few years before any positive change after they had complete civilian disarmament, but the UK is different from the US because it has virtually always been illegal for civilians to own weapons dating back to the 1100's.

the UK just wasn't as saturated as the US is with guns, so initiating gun control in the US will A) increase crime and B) maintain a high level of crime for a much longer period of time than the UK did.

these background checks are just for a database for the national government to monitor gun owners.

and that's not very free.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

these background checks are just for a database for the national government to monitor gun owners.