Can we talk about the future of P99?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not frustrated, I assume there is a legal reason this pirated game is not able to release new servers while daybreak makes the lionshare of its rev from TLP servers (which it started right around 2015, and while activision was fighting to shut down nost for that very reason with wow).

from your wiki link:



I said the reason likely is its expensive and they can't make proffit and dont want to wipe the other servers.

Again, there's no legal reason because Daybreak literally signed an agreement that allows new servers as long as they don't go past Velious.

They're not wiping the other servers, they'd just merge Green and Blue together as they said they would at the launch of Green (and as they've demonstrated with server merges before, it's easy to do this).

IIRC Rogean has said in the past that while server costs are not necessarily small, he has no problem covering the cost and a lot is offset through donations. And in any case, again, this wouldn't be incurring incremental cost; you would merge Green and Blue so you'd be left with the same number of servers as you have now. So your cost argument is moot as well.

This is solely a lack of energy/interest from them to do it right now. Which is okay and it's understandable. They're unpaid volunteers. Unfortunately it's par for the course for P99. Engagement comes in waves (including with Green launch where we waited years for it). Eventually they will get the energy to do it. Until then we just enjoy P99 as is.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, there's no legal reason because Daybreak literally signed an agreement that allows new servers as long as they don't go past Velious.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No need to repeat yourself, it doesn't say that on the wiki link about the agreement so I'm curious where you got that information.

You're right, no one really knows what's in the agreement ... but if you just think about the interests of the people involved, one would expect a clause like that to be in the agreement.

Why? First look at P99: they have been very clear, from day one, that they despise "cats on the moon". The P99 folks have zero interest whatsoever in taking P99 to Luclin (or beyond), except possibly in a very limited/custom capacity (eg. offering specific AAs as the result of a custom "epic quest").

Daybreak's interests are also clear: they want to make money off live EQ. But they've decided that P99 doesn't threaten that: it's so different from live that it's not a competitor (in fact, I think they recognize that it helps keep people's interest in the game alive, and actually drives more customers to play on their servers). So their only concern is that P99 could someday become such a competitor, if they impliment Luclin+ expansions.

Agreeing not to go past Velious is in everyone's interests: Daybreak gets a guarantee that P99 won't compete with them, and P99 gives up nothing (but gets the other benefits of the agreement, most importantly an assurance that Daybreak won't attack them with lawyers).

[cd288]

Again, I'm assuming you haven't been around since pre-2019. This is really not uncommon at all with P99. Rogean and Nilbog's enthusiasm/engagement comes in waves. Look how long it took to get Velious on Blue? And then from there, how long it took to finally get the Surefall Glade patch. And how long it took Green to even come around (years).

Sometimes they are just not that engaged with P99 for a very long time. Relax.

Also not sure what you mean by "no changes to be made". There are already things that came up during the course of Green that were non-classic that they said would be changed in the next server iteration. That takes time, work, and most importantly the desire to expend that energy for free. Eventually they will decide they feel like doing it. Until then we're in limbo. Pretty par for the course for P99.

TLP has no influence on this because that's the whole point of the legal agreement. Daybreak allowed them to operate as long as the P99 servers don't go past Velious.

[shovelquest]

So you've read the daybreak agreement?

[cd288]

?

They've discussed that aspect of it before and stated that part of the legal permission is that they don't go past Velious. Maybe try not being so opinionated about something when you don't have the historical knowledge about the subject.

[shovelquest]

Everyone has a different tale about what the agreement is.

[Duik]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone has a different tale about what the agreement is.

Yes. But only one of them is correct.
They (RogBog) are under no obligation to even tell us what it is.

Relaxing will help.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone has a different tale about what the agreement is.

Yeah except in this case we're talking specifically about what the literal people who signed the agreement said it says

[Jimjam]

Remember when everyone was like “there is never gonna be another server” and green dropped out of nowhere.

Hell, remember how people were saying velious would never come to p99?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when everyone was like “there is never gonna be another server” and green dropped out of nowhere.

Hell, remember how people were saying velious would never come to p99?

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=123611

Originally Posted by webrunner5 (2013)

The internet will be banned before Velious comes out. Stop worrying. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]