FTE is Fing stupid

[Llabak]

Wow, 8 pages and not to R&F yet. Kudos to the forum.

Honest questions: Is Jeremy TMO officer? Have any TMO officers replied? I'm not a BDA officer, so sending a tell to a TMO officer wouldn't be appropriate. Also, the point of this was to solicit the opinion not just of TMO's leadership (who might just say no out of hand) but to appeal to the rank and file of TMO as well. If enough of them agree that a change is in order, it's more likely the officers will be willing to negotiate.

Also, Knix and Nietche, wru? You guys quit BDA because you thought the atmosphere was bad. I'm trying to clean it up. Surely there are some members of TMO who would be willing to set up something to make the raid scene less toxic?

Also, FWIW, the proposed raid order I put up was just a suggestion, and in truth because of time zone issues, I'd expect TMO to still get 5/6 - both of theirs, both open, and probably one of BDA's. Shrug. Are TMO's members really happy with losing mobs to an FTE arms race? Isn't that why the Ragefire rotation went into place?

[Knightt]

i would love a rotation as much as the next casual guy but im not gonna stoop low and beg for it . ive done what they have done man when i was 13 and i enjoyed the hell out of it . white crosses and no doze for the 25 hrs raids and poop socks we was doing super hard core back in the day . now i cant do it me and my guild is honesly gonna be happen with a little hate , fear, sky and epic fights . BDA has the numbers to do what TMO is doing but not the skill or balls to pull the trigger quit accepting lvl 30s into your guild and focus on what you got like TMO has done you might be able to compete . and again like i said im all for rotation but not gonna stress over not getting it i just hope TMO comes to the sense that they need to do whats good for the server instead for the pixels and alt pixels cause i have countless TMO alts come to me askin to join my guild because they are so sick of what TMO is doing they are so Bored and drawn out and not enjoying the game no more they make alts and hide and join other guilds just to do casual raiding . pathetic imo but they are top dog man just bow down and face it

[JenJen]

lulz

[Xanthias]

my 2cp

BDA wants a rotation? Fine.
Compete on ALL raid mobs, not just the two you have chosen.

Show you care about raiding, rotations are a reward for going after mobs repeatedly.
Yes that means you have to go after Gore, Tal, Sev, Noble, Fay, VS, Trak and WIN consistently.

All BDA seems to be doing right now is going after the top two, if you want to be taken seriously, ya need to do the hard work of going after the not so desirable targets as well.

[Haul]

More rules = more bull shit, just free for all everything people need to stop being pussys. What happens, happens. Real talk and I don't even raid anymore-

[quido]

Hey just because we're not handing Sev engages to BDA and Divinity (guilds that have killed him) doesn't mean we wouldn't for someone like Full Circle or whoever. Recently at a draco we saw Full Circle was in a clear PoF and instead of sending our bards to go tag the thing, we gave them 5 or 10 minutes to get an attempt. I'm not promising anyone anything, but if you're some guild that hasn't killed one of these lower priority targets before, I think most people would be behind giving you an attempt. When you demonstrate that you can kill it, though, is when we cease with the leeway. I think that's fair enough.

[Knightt]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey just because we're not handing Sev engages to BDA and Divinity (guilds that have killed him) doesn't mean we wouldn't for someone like Full Circle or whoever. Recently at a draco we saw Full Circle was in a clear PoF and instead of sending our bards to go tag the thing, we gave them 5 or 10 minutes to get an attempt. I'm not promising anyone anything, but if you're some guild that hasn't killed one of these lower priority targets before, I think most people would be behind giving you an attempt. When you demonstrate that you can kill it, though, is when we cease with the leeway. I think that's fair enough.

i dont see anything wrong with this at all hopefully we get that 5 or 10 min window from you guys one day

[Teppler]

BDA shouldn't be kicking their higher level active members who want to raid then start complaining about their raiding situation.

[Sirken]

rotations are stupid.

i will not support, suggest, or enforce rotations.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rotations are stupid.

i will not support, suggest, or enforce rotations.

and having 100 people sit on a spawn point to have FTE decided randomly, or even worse a group of 5-7 people sniping FTE from a legitimate raid force is better? not flaming or questioning any previous rulings, i just think there has to be a better way to do things, what the op and others have suggested would require very little GM involvement if the players were respectful to one another. of course there would still be instances of douchebaggery but i think they would dramatically decrease. and fwiw a rotation does not have to be suggested, supported, or enforced by gms, they werent on Live and yet many servers had them.