How about...(raidmobs)

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Ask Nilbog. I just say if it is classic, stick to classic. And the goal is as close to classic as possible. Why don't we have the eye of veeshan shoot flowers at the raid? pffrt

[Bubbles]

As for the 100+ pages of drama the last 2 days, nothing short of a full server split of the introduction of instancing is going to make any of this go away, like, ever. so /shrug.

What you have is two massive armies of malcontents who only get erections when they deprive someone else of something. It's sad, of course, but no gm intervention or rotation or rule change is ever going to completely change the human nature of the people flinging poo in these threads. Which is the real (and obvious) reason it's all coming apart at the seams.

Even those who arent completely evil and self-loathing are always going to be pitted against each other from the basic economic nature of the server. Example:

Storm Haven, Gnomish Proving Grounds, THF, EZ, PEQ.. etc... many of us have donk around on the other EMU servers and the communities are polar opposites to here. People go out of their way to help each other, to talk to each other, to gear each other, to encounter things together, etc. Why is this? Well EZ, for example, a higher tiered player can farm charms while helping a lower level get their epic 2.0... A higher tiered player can farm augment essences in T1/T2 and have lower tiered folks tag along for weapons and armorz and such. The system is set in place for things like that. Some of the smaller EMUs require the warm bodies to do content, so they purposely seek out and help gear/level newer people to bolster the community.

What we have, of course, on P99 is a recreation of... Classic EQ. Which was the be all and end all of 'scarcity'. There's a finite number of high money camps. A finite number of ways to make resist gear. A finite number of raid mobs. etc. etc. And there's little to no reward for helping out the random person. I think Shaere said it best in the other thread when talking about the true measure of a man is how he treats someone whom he has nothing to gain from. It's poignant, and 100% true. The people that stick out in your mind on p99 remind you of this.. And many of them are wearing the TR / TMA tags. And when you get them away from the slavedrivers beating the 'scarcity' stick, are really swell, helpful, caring people. And I can't even count the amount of people i've had issues with on here that i've been best buds with on the other EMUs.

In short: the p99 system, like live, is designed to drive an infiinite amount of people to rumble over a finite amount of desired resources, like a pack of starved dogs being thrown small amounts of raw hamburger once a day.

And it's a system that's actually classic on steroids, since instead of 100-150 people on this 'classic sized server' who know what they hay they are doing... 90% of the server knows what the hay they are doing, so it's exponentially more 'crowded' and 'qqfest' in the higher tiers.

Inb4 ppl who crave Veilous (cuz that's when they actually started on live) talk more about how socking and racing was rampant in 1999 as if they were actually there. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This server is a faithful and well-crafted reincarnation of Everquest circa 1999. The playerbase. ... is..... not.

[Mezzmur]

Which was the be all and end all of 'scarcity'.

That pretty much hits the nail on the head for me. I'm a member of TMO and it's a matter of competition and limited availability of things. Having the ability to know the future of the server just makes things that much more important as well.

I started in EQ Beta, then played as a Grudge Bearer in Fennin Ro, I can tell you that there was socking. Maybe not to the degree and ruthlessness that it was then, but it was there. For me, I saw it much more in Kunark than in pre-Kunark though. I remember a lot of combined hate raids, etc. Especially hate/fear calendars.

It's economics, and right now Trak is in high demand. Everyone knows that VP is coming, and everyone wants to be there when it opens. Just like sleepers will be. It's eq, not an easy game. *shrug*

[Versus]

Let's leave it the way it is, it's been working out pretty well recently, IMO.

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[Maze513]

I agree with Phisting. Amelinda fucked up and made a bad call when she shouldn't have said anything and now everyone in a pissing match. Make the rules clear to both parties and let them drive each other nuts. When rules are black and white there is no room for young lawyers

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by Versus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's leave it the way it is, it's been working out pretty well recently, IMO.

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pls

[Happyfeet]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh, please. You could hit up EC, assemble 30+ randoms and go kill Trak. Whatever the tag, as long as they had levels and some resist gear.

That is amazingly not true. Killing Trak with 30-35 people all in the same guild isn't easy nor always successful, let alone random people. Organization is one of the hardest aspects of Trak, both guilds have great leaders. Not to mention having enough DPS (meaning most melee are rocking 27-41% haste and 250+ PR). Please find me 30+ people in EC with that going on. I'd even vote for letting your PUG try first just for pure FRAPS amusement.
P.S. I'm in TMO.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by tekniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3) honestly, there shouldn't be a rotation besides TMA/TR as of now, no one else can take on Trak unless all the tier 2 guilds unite (bda, taken, vd, div)

It's more like the other guilds are passing by, looking in disgust, as two groups of people are holding up socks to their asses and filling them up with poop, and holding them up and laughing at us that we don't want that bad enough.

[Otur]

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May the best Zerg win...

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Happyfeet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is amazingly not true. Killing Trak with 30-35 people all in the same guild isn't easy nor always successful, let alone random people. Organization is one of the hardest aspects of Trak, both guilds have great leaders. Not to mention having enough DPS (meaning most melee are rocking 27-41% haste and 250+ PR). Please find me 30+ people in EC with that going on. I'd even vote for letting your PUG try first just for pure FRAPS amusement.
P.S. I'm in TMO.

Heh.. seriously.. The 55+ toons, resist gear, and 26+% haste is SOLD in EC.

I mean, if you wanna give me pointers to tell the crew while we march thru juggs on the way there.. lets highlight.

1. ) position Trak properly
2. ) hide casters
3. ) shout / time AE
4. ) have everyone make their 'i are blind and poisoned oh noes!' hotkeys
5. ) etc. etc. etc.

hold on while i grab a napkin and some crayons.

If you seriously believed for a second no one else could kill the content, you wouldn't be falling over yourselves trying to down it the instant it popped. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

p.s. i was there the first few times that dragon was killed on live. in 1999.
/yawn.