A No Stupid Questions About Classic Thread

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like this is a pretty stupid question, but Enchanters on p99 are over the top in how OP they can be both solo and in xp groups by charming stupidly powerful npcs to do the dirty work. The above is a difference that could explain why they get faster solo xp on p99, but it still seems like them charming OP mobs like rogues and wrecking seems over the top. Did charmed NPCs always do full damage? Are there any documented accounts from classic of enchanters charming osargen or similar NPC and just wrecking a zone? Is this something people just didn't figure out? Because it seems like if an enchanter did this in classic, others would see it and be like WTF and you'd see posts on allakhazam osargen page like "he's ok but use him as a charm pet he's F-ing badass."

I absolutely do NOT remember any of this charming stuff going on back when I played in era. Chanters were considered a group centric class on my server and were invited to Clarity, mez, and debuff/slow. No one got them for adding DPS.

I don't know if the mechanics differed or if it was just people didn't know and/or were too scared to try. Latency/connections/LD's being what they were you really didn't need any extra group wiping variables like a buffed out hasted rogue mob going loose, people would not have found that to be an acceptable risk IME.

I did notice on Alla a while back some mention of guilds using charm pets on Statue/AoW attempts but that would have been bleeding edge guilds with level 60 ench/druids in good gear.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I absolutely do NOT remember any of this charming stuff going on back when I played in era. Chanters were considered a group centric class on my server and were invited to Clarity, mez, and debuff/slow. No one got them for adding DPS.

I'll never "prove" it and such proof most likely does not exist, but I firmly believe that ALL non-fixed-duration spells are overly reliable on P1999. This includes not only charm, but also root (there's a reason people loved Enchanters for crowd control) and invisibility spells. On top of that the lull spell line also works far more reliably than it did historically as well because its inflated resist rate was coded into the host and not the spelldata file, so it didn't show up that way on Lucy/etc.

I don't place much stock in what Enchanter players claim. When P99 opened they were pinky-swearing up and down that Wirl-till-you-hurl lasting full duration every time and never breaking from damage was totally classic and legit. Some folks'll say just about anything in the name of preserving their advantages.

Danth

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll never "prove" it and such proof most likely does not exist, but I firmly believe that ALL non-fixed-duration spells are overly reliable on P1999.Danth

I have no proof, but I clearly remember spells like Camouflage not having a fixed time on all users. I remember I was on a CR to Oasis and someone at the EC tunnel gave me a camo and about 1-2 minutes into NRO, it dropped due to my level. I also remember other spells doing the same type of thing over the years back in the beginning of it all.

[Jadian]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll never "prove" it and such proof most likely does not exist, but I firmly believe that ALL non-fixed-duration spells are overly reliable on P1999. This includes not only charm, but also root (there's a reason people loved Enchanters for crowd control) and invisibility spells. On top of that the lull spell line also works far more reliably than it did historically as well because its inflated resist rate was coded into the host and not the spelldata file, so it didn't show up that way on Lucy/etc.

I don't place much stock in what Enchanter players claim. When P99 opened they were pinky-swearing up and down that Wirl-till-you-hurl lasting full duration every time and never breaking from damage was totally classic and legit. Some folks'll say just about anything in the name of preserving their advantages.

Danth

100% my experience as a druid from live with the charm animal mechanics and root mechanics. Had to constantly watch for those breaks.

[Jibartik]

This isnt about that great question but this is my stupid question right now:

My instinct is to spend 1 at the guild leader in order to skill up by using it, if you were at 0 I expect it to never go up.

But that is based on nothing but instinct, is that something that is ingrained in me from classic? or some other era?

[Deathrydar]

I have no idea what the last two posts said...

[Jibartik]

I have this like gut instinct that say you wanted to skillup swimming, but your swimming was (0)

If you went to a pond and swam for 10 years your skill would remain at (0)

You would have to go to a guildmaster and train in swimming (1) before you could skillup on your own.

Is this from classic? Did I get this instinct from another era I played through on live? Is it like that movie Yesterday where the beetles never existed, and in this case this feature never existed in this timeline? I don't know I would believe any of those.

But I was wondering if anyone knew? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have this like gut instinct that say you wanted to skillup swimming, but your swimming was (0)

If you went to a pond and swam for 10 years your skill would remain at (0)

You would have to go to a guildmaster and train in swimming (1) before you could skillup on your own.

Is this from classic? Did I get this instinct from another era I played through on live? Is it like that movie Yesterday where the beetles never existed, and in this case this feature never existed in this timeline? I don't know I would believe any of those.

But I was wondering if anyone knew? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say this: I just came back to playing on Tuesday and even though my Sense Heading was mapped to my WASD keys, it never leveled up. i went and trained 1 point into it and, viola, it's at 136 now....

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will say this: I just came back to playing on Tuesday and even though my Sense Heading was mapped to my WASD keys, it never leveled up. i went and trained 1 point into it and, viola, it's at 136 now....

Wow swimming I am (99) percent sure goes up to (1) from (0) I wonder if its all just random, or if there actually was rules for it or not somewhere.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Deathrydar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no idea what the last two posts said...

Sorry if my rambling wasn't concise. You can basically just look at just the bolded questions.

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like this is a pretty stupid question, but Enchanters on p99 are over the top in how OP they can be both solo and in xp groups by charming stupidly powerful npcs to do the dirty work. The above is a difference that could explain why they get faster solo xp on p99, but it still seems like them charming OP mobs like rogues and wrecking seems over the top. Did charmed NPCs always do full damage? Are there any documented accounts from classic of enchanters charming osargen or similar NPC and just wrecking a zone? Is this something people just didn't figure out? Because it seems like if an enchanter did this in classic, others would see it and be like WTF and you'd see posts on allakhazam osargen page like "he's ok but use him as a charm pet he's F-ing badass."