Fighting dragons at ToV zonein

[fadetree]

So, if someone put up a big red button somewhere marked 'LOOT', and each guild could press it a couple times a week and it would excrete a couple of BIS items, would they even bother with the game or would they just sit around the button staring at it until it was time to press it again?

[TeemoOfAstora]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, if someone put up a big red button somewhere marked 'LOOT', and each guild could press it a couple times a week and it would excrete a couple of BIS items, would they even bother with the game or would they just sit around the button staring at it until it was time to press it again?

I think at some point it becomes less about pixels at a press of a button so much as the joy of stopping the "other guys" from pressing their buttons.

[karkaroth]

Laff

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, if someone put up a big red button somewhere marked 'LOOT', and each guild could press it a couple times a week and it would excrete a couple of BIS items, would they even bother with the game or would they just sit around the button staring at it until it was time to press it again?

This is a very difficult question to answer. Initially we would need to open a dialogue to establish the nature of button pressing, associated challenges and other considerations. Having found arrived at little agreement we might then be able to move on to discussion of proper button pressing etiquette and permissible behavior of pressers while defining all other relevant roles.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a very difficult question to answer. Initially we would need to open a dialogue to establish the nature of button pressing, associated challenges and other considerations. Having found arrived at little agreement we might then be able to move on to discussion of proper button pressing etiquette and permissible behavior of pressers while defining all other relevant roles.

Also where you moved the button would have to be considered. Obviously the placement is important.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also where you moved the button would have to be considered. Obviously the placement is important.

Exactly! Far too difficult a question to address without an actual implementation to dissect. ^^

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really they need to mass remove bind points in ToV, rebind everyone outside at the ToV entrance in WW and remove the ability to bind in ToV.

Next they need to implement lazy aggro in Kunark and Velious zones so that mobs forget and reset to their home point if their primary target ever gets outside of this range. I think when people tested this out it was typically 600' for this forget to occur.

Interesting point on Lazy Aggro. WoW had this and I hated it, but it was on every mob. For raid bosses, I 100% agree on, however... This would allow some strategy such as staying in range of lazy agro but out of range of AoEs or having a series of chain pullers to bring mob to zone in. I am not so sure poopsockers won't still exploit this to fit it into their current strategy. I would say if the mob itself got out of a certain range, it would invoke 'call of the zero' where it would summon peeps on the hate list despite the mob not being damaged.

As far as removing bind points in ToV... YES! They already did this in fear I believe (which is not classic), so precedent is there to establish this in ToV. PoM coths just got more expensive too!!

I disagree on the 2hr respawn rate on boss mobs. That is too 'participation trophy' for my tastes. The 7-day mob spawn is a classic delayed gratification that makes getting that loot so rewarding and valuable.

[Alanus]

My problem with pulling dragons to the entrance is:

On live, raids used the zone in as a setup area for ToV raids. Let's say a guild is planning on doing an armor farm in WToV or whatever. They can't really setup and buff while dragon AEs are going off at the entrance.

Plus, it kind of kills the point if you pull the dragons to the entrance.

[Pumpedup]

just park a naked 46 at ent, when people do it open doors and pull drakes

let the tears flow

[lurk]

Ya binding in ToV is not classic, i cant believe thats still in game.

Remove binding, add lazy agro, root the appropriate dragons and give them call of the zero.

The whole reason they were rooted in the first place was to prevent skipping content which verant took seriously. Its also one of the main reasons item recharging was nerfed (using rez staffs to skip content)