Game Mechanics: Worn haste bug

[Erati]

ty Bog

good work posters - nice evidence

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Vicatin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are we able to assume those items will now affect ability cooldown timers like backstab? Thx kindly!

That is something that needs to now be looked into. My last post was a supplementary explanation of what was changed with the last patch. Some posters seem confused that Ragebringer was somehow changed, or that correcting the other haste items somehow affected it.

[Aesop]

@Nilbog what do you need from us if anything?

[Aesop]

Originally Posted by Aesop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@Nilbog what do you need from us if anything?

be happy to help with whatever you need sir.

[Mud]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... Some posters seem confused that Ragebringer was somehow changed, or that correcting the other haste items somehow affected it.

I looked through my old logs, and Seething Fury apparently has not been affecting the backstab cooldown timer since at least May 27, 2013 (I got my epic in 2012 but did not start using logs consistently until May 2013). Interestingly, Runebranded Girdle (27% worn haste) also didn't have an affect on the cooldown at that point in time. Something may have changed since then, as my recent tests using Renard's Belt of Quickness (41% worn haste) did show it lowered backstab cooldown by several seconds (see my post on page 2). Spell haste appears to have consistently lowered the cooldown since at least May 18, 2013.

Ragebringer and Runebranded Girdle (27% worn haste) equipped with zero haste buffs or songs: 10.64 seconds (117/11 = 10.64)
[Mon May 27 10:58:48 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 120 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:58:59 2013] You try to backstab Coercer Q`ioul, but miss!
[Mon May 27 10:59:10 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 254 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:59:10 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 147 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:59:21 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 371 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:59:31 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 387 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:59:41 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 303 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:59:41 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 136 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:59:52 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 120 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 10:59:52 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 149 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 11:00:03 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 120 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 11:00:14 2013] You try to backstab Coercer Q`ioul, but miss!
[Mon May 27 11:00:14 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 120 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 11:00:24 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 120 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 11:00:24 2013] You try to backstab Coercer Q`ioul, but miss!
[Mon May 27 11:00:35 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 120 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 11:00:35 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 157 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 11:00:45 2013] You backstab Coercer Q`ioul for 280 points of damage.
[Mon May 27 11:00:54 2013] You have slain Coercer Q`ioul!

Ragebringer and Runebranded Girdle (27% worn haste) equipped plus Visions of Grandeur (58% spell haste): 6.9 seconds (69/10 = 6.9)
[Sat May 18 11:32:25 2013] You experience visions of grandeur.
[Sat May 18 11:48:20 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 388 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:48:20 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 388 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:48:26 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 660 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:48:26 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 388 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:48:34 2013] You try to backstab Ixiblat Fer, but miss!
[Sat May 18 11:48:34 2013] You try to backstab Ixiblat Fer, but miss!
[Sat May 18 11:48:41 2013] You try to backstab Ixiblat Fer, but miss!
[Sat May 18 11:48:41 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 120 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:48:48 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 288 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:48:48 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 120 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:48:55 2013] You try to backstab Ixiblat Fer, but miss!
[Sat May 18 11:49:02 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 287 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:49:02 2013] You try to backstab Ixiblat Fer, but miss!
[Sat May 18 11:49:09 2013] You try to backstab Ixiblat Fer, but miss!
[Sat May 18 11:49:09 2013] You try to backstab Ixiblat Fer, but miss!
[Sat May 18 11:49:16 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 120 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:49:16 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 120 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:49:23 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 165 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:49:23 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 293 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:49:29 2013] You backstab Ixiblat Fer for 253 points of damage.
[Sat May 18 11:49:31 2013] Ixiblat Fer has been slain by Siynful!

Back on page 2, I quoted four posts with evidence showing that both worn and spell haste lower backstab cooldown. Unfortunately, only one of them directly references Ragebringer, and it's at the beginning of Luclin era. Nilbog, what are your thoughts on these four posts I quoted on page 2 from Allakhazam?

[Mud]

Originally Posted by Mud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interestingly, Runebranded Girdle (27% worn haste) also didn't have an affect on the cooldown at that point in time. Something may have changed since then, as my recent tests using Renard's Belt of Quickness (41% worn haste) did show it lowered backstab cooldown by several seconds (see my post on page 2)

Too late to edit my previous post -- my RBG vs Renard's logs demonstrate the change that Koraf was referring to in the first post of this thread.

[Muggens]

Anything on this? Should I save up plat/dkp for another haste item?

[Bummey]

Originally Posted by Muggens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should I save up plat/dkp for another haste item?

Yes. Patches are already few and far between, so our wait time on the fix is only increasing as each day goes by. Imagine how long we'll have to wait if it doesn't get added to the next patch's list of fixes, in nine months or whenever that comes out. If you want to do anywhere near the damage you should be doing, look into getting a supplementary haste item ASAP.

[Muggens]

Originally Posted by Bummey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. Patches are already few and far between, so our wait time on the fix is only increasing as each day goes by. Imagine how long we'll have to wait if it doesn't get added to the next patch's list of fixes, in nine months or whenever that comes out. If you want to do anywhere near the damage you should be doing, look into getting a supplementary haste item ASAP.

Yeah Ive been looking into this backstab haste timer business extra careful lately when Im on my rogue - What I can confirm is this:

My rogue only wearing Ragebringer and with Wondrous Rapidity/VoG; haste refreshes every 6 seconds.

Rogues I meet wearing Ragebringer AND RBG/RBB/SCHW and same spellhaste as my rogue; haste refreshes every 6 seconds.

No point in getting an additional haste item to my experience as they do not give any backstab refresh modifier at all. I tried on a pair of SCHW and having no spellhaste on me; backstab refreshed as per regular at 10 seconds. Only spell haste give Backstab haste in this game as I can tell.
Not sure if that is classic... Although according to comments on allakhazam Ragebringer did cut haste timer with several seconds and lots of evidence in this thread imply it should?

Can someone who owns a second haste item confirm to me that their backstab timer refresh faster than without the haste item(not being buffed with spell haste ofcourse)?

[Aesop]

ill try a few tests tonight