In Response, How many would start on a new blue server?

[Ceelow]

ive been traveling to and from newb zones on different toons for over a week now, and there is a lot of people in each, everyday

[phacemeltar]

race wars please

[Coridan]

holy wars!

[August]

With regards to relative experience to others...

My main desire for a new server would be the lure of being a JC salesman.

JC market is super-saturated on this old server. I can sit in EC all day Saturday and Sunday and sell maybe 8-10k worth of product, netting me maybe 4-5k. As a level 60 enc, this is a colossal waste of time since I could just go solo a camp during this time and get items worth way more.

For reference, on Fippy Darkpaw server as soon as I got Enchant:Silver I leveled up my JC and started making silver jewelry going zone-to-zone.

Steamfont->LFay->GFAY/CB->BBlock->Freeports->Commons/NEK->Kith->Rivervale->Misty->Back to Kith->HHK/HHP->Karanas->Qhills->BBurrow->Everfrost->Back to Qeynos->Toxx->GATE->RESTOCK->Do it again.

It was an insane amount of fun, for me. I made a couple plat per item, which enabled me to level JC even more, which ended up with me having to level as fast as I could to be able to enchant platinum (instead of having the spell already and leveling it up). I sat at level 34 for a long while just hawking wares.

This, subsequently, led to a massive amount of wealth, relative to others, which was pretty awesome.

I came to this server late with a saturated market. I have plenty of money here, now. I don't care so much now about having twinks - I have them. I'd just like to be able to do things fresh for a bit here. There isn't a demand for silver or electrum jewelry anymore. There's not even really a demand for most tradeskills. It would be nice to get to relive that. I won't die if I don't, but it'd still be fun.

[bluejam]

never in a million years.

[Funkutron5000]

The opportunity to level another paladin to 60? Be still my heart!

I would actually probably enjoy that way more than I should, plus it would allow me to get a guise/ lustrous russet armor so I wouldn't have to be so damn jelly of Ektar all the time.

[Shaakglith12194]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

[bled12345]

Originally Posted by Shaakglith12194 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by bled12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P

I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.