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Riots bad. Duly elected officials refusing to maintain order. Citizens who fill the breach are arrested and imprisoned. Civil war now good.
Sorry this puts a damper on your RV plans, boomer. Did the three Jews Kyle shot thank you for your service in their wars yet, by the way? | ||
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The purpose of the first narrative (Gen 1:1–2:4a) is about establishing a relationship between God and humans, and the second account (Gen 2:4b-25) is about building a relationship in the most essential human bond, marriage. These two relationships, vertical and horizontal, are complementary and must always come in the described ordered sequence so that life can be meaningful, beautiful, and happy. First comes a cultivation of a loving relationship with God, then with our marriage partner, and finally with others. The closer we are to God, the closer we should be to our spouses and to others. Only God can provide all the resources for life so we can be a contribution and blessing to each other. We were created in total dependency upon God; therefore, only from him can we receive all we need for building deep and lasting relationships. Source: A fresh look at two genesis creation accounts. | |||
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In the later fifteenth century (BC so its backwards remember hehe) Tuthmosis III could boast “the numerous army of Mitanni was overthrown within the hour, annihilated totally” but, historically the forces of Mitanni lived to fight many another day, in the fifteenth and fourteenth centuries… meaning annihilated totally = exist as an empire for another 200 years. Under "Ancient Near East Warfare Rhetoric" theory, the language "Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." is exaggeration. God is not actually expecting or commanding Saul to hunt down every last living thing under every tree and kill them all. Instead, God's purpose is that their entire society (their religion and immoral practices) would be destroyed. The language "utterly destroy" is often referred to as an act of worship to God. That is, by removing the religion and practices which directly oppose God, they are offering sacrifice to God. Quote:
The fact is, Youtube & biblical scholars have allowed themselves to be swept away by the upbeat, rhetorical element present in Joshua, a persistent feature of most war reports in ancient Near Eastern sources that they are not accustomed to understand and properly handle. (edit: that said maybe the bible is a horcrux and once you figure out the correct meaning behind the words it will unlock a new doorway, what do I know!) Edit edit: But for context of this thread? Self defense, does not mean traveling to a riot and shooting people. Hope some thing, any of this, helps someone see the light! Love thy neighbor, keep the sabbath, follow the 10 commandments. That is all, then the rest is easy! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | ||||
Last edited by Jibartik; 09-26-2020 at 02:51 AM..
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But its difficult to argue that God didnt command the slaughter of unrighteous groups, especially when Saul fell out of favor with Nathan(?) because he kept some of the spoils of war alive. | |||
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Be mindful of taking the Bible literally. It has been translated a number of times over the years, and translators are often able to take liberties with the meanings of passages. This can be done intentionally or accidentally and tends to be compounded after several iterations of translation (think making a photocopy of a photocopy several times, the result is much less clear). But either way, taking phrases literally is bound to result in beliefs or actions that don't align with the original version of the text.
Long story short, use it as a general guide rather that picking apart the meaning of individual sections.
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Saul had become very proud, one of his many sins. He kept the Amalekite king alive, as well as the best of everything else it offered to gain favor of the people and wealth. When he returned to Israel, he even erected a monument to himself at Carmel (oops). Samuel had to tell Saul of the Lord’s anger. Instead of repenting, Saul tried lying and then made excuses. He blamed the soldiers and then said that they only kept the animals alive to make sacrifices to the Lord. And pandered to his people for love. Personally I have a way different take on this one than some folks, I dont think the message is kill or be killed (which is a very convincing sermon I will totally give it that!). Instead I think it means be penitent and do not flaunt mankind's will in the face of god, which is much more consistent with the bibles other teachings. Saul was a great king, and people loved him, he was a man of earth and clay, but when he took it too far they (the people), Samuel (not Nathan hehe) and God fell out of favor with him. Now about god commanding the death of the Amalekites? God has already killed everyone on this particular planet with a flood mind you. This period of time is biblically quite different than our current period of time, so taking things into context as you said is super important here: to those that question the will of god is brutal, after being forgiven of our sins he no longer asks of that, so we confidently say that our God would never speak to us like he spoke to Saul through Samuel, demanding genocidal vengeance on anyone. It’s not possible because it’s no longer required. Because of Christ, we are currently in the eschatological period of amnesty. Awaiting that final judgement. So god did say to kill the Amalekites, yes. And he did punish Saul for sin for not killing as he commanded. But no matter what reason god flooded the earth or thought he needed to commit genocide: It does not mean he is telling you to flood the earth or commit genocide (Ive heard the first strike, kill or be killed, argument with this sermon and I just dont think its for me). [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] FYI non theologists that are looking at this and puking hehe, if you think EQ lore is complicated, or like Game of Thrones I suggest the 6,000 year history of western mankind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] It also connects with eastern too but oof there is a lot of history on this planet. | |||
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