there is a private list system going on at AC in OOT?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not a bannable offense. Its only an issue if you are actually maintaining a list and mislead people. If you're not maintaining a list, there should be a crowd ready to go as soon as you leave because its up in the air at that point.

In other words, the only problem arises if you tell someone "you're next" and then when you're done you instead give the camp to someone else when the original person is there and waiting.

This is correct ... by the rules as given to us in the forum by our volunteer staff gods ... but it's important to remember that those same gods reserve the right to rule however they want.

They generally rule consistently with past GMs, and this is the server where the staff let TMO monopolize camps for months at a time, so there is a strong precedent for "the current camp holder gets to do whatever the crap they want when they leave (except lie about who is next)" ... but, crucially, there is no Camp Rules quote saying that.

So as much as I think people waiting out of zone for a camp are lame ... and even though I've personally "forgotten" to tell people who were next in line out of zone in favor of letting the person who's actually there have it (on Blue) ... I'd still recommend caution when "messing with the list". The only true rules here are the Play Nice Policies, and they can be summarized as "don't be a dick".

If you are a dick with your handling of a list, it could absolutely come back to haunt you ... regardless of what the Camp Rules page says.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Kich867 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not a bannable offense. Its only an issue if you are actually maintaining a list and mislead people. If you're not maintaining a list, there should be a crowd ready to go as soon as you leave because its up in the air at that point.

In other words, the only problem arises if you tell someone "you're next" and then when you're done you instead give the camp to someone else when the original person is there and waiting.

You can tell twenty people "you're next" and just log off.

Noone cares.

I'd tell at least 5, before logging on an alt and refreshing R&F.

[Donkey Hotay]

Originally Posted by Donkey Hotay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does the camp holder get to determine who is next, anyways?

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They don't. They need to list people in the order in which they inquire.

That's not what the quoted GM ruling says at all. It says the camp holder may keep his choice secret until directly asked if the inquirer may be next and then has to declare his choice for whom is next in line.

So, I repeat to the forum: why does the camp holder choose who is next?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Donkey Hotay [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not what the quoted GM ruling says at all. It says the camp holder may keep his choice secret until directly asked if the inquirer may be next and then has to declare his choice for whom is next in line.

So, I repeat to the forum: why does the camp holder choose who is next?

The short answer is, because our free game has volunteer GMs. They try to be as minimal as possible about making new rules, because they have limited capacity, and every new rule they make is one they have to enforce (at the cost of having less time to do all their other GM stuff).

It's not that they're for letting the person at the top of the list decide ... it's that they're against setting up a system they have to maintain (at least until the dev team gives them a /list that doesn't require manual oversight).

[Snortles Chortles]

we finally agree on something

[kjs86z]

consider blue

[Cen]

A guy on my friendslist said he got 3 ac rings in the last week and has been able to get a spot through friends nudging him in after them. I havent been there or tried but i dont trust a long player list. They are never legit

[Zeboim]

Your friend is exaggerating at best, people track that googledoc thoroughly and quite a few people have been deleted for shenanigans.

Although I note that most of the problems/excessive length of the list has occurred after this thread started.

[Kushida]

Who decides who deletes names from the list? Cause i heard people have like 5 alts on there.

[Donkey Hotay]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A guy on my friendslist said he got 3 ac rings in the last week and has been able to get a spot through friends nudging him in after them. I havent been there or tried but i dont trust a long player list. They are never legit

Originally Posted by cd288

He's wrong.
t. 102nd in line

I dunno about this google doc or legal eagles very carefully scrutinizing it as they go play elsewhere and trust EverQuest players to treat their position in line with respect; both seem like abstract concepts. What I do know is on Blue, there was a guy in DaP who would regularly brag in /gu about how he and his buddies would game AC. They had multiple toons parked there and would simply tell people who wanted it that they were X in line and then alternate from each other's pool of toons until the schmucks in line gave up. This guy had corpses piled up at druid rings with the AC ring on them because the GM's would occasionally check the island corpses on a complaint.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=116

Or how about this thread (oh hey! Loramin is being a supercilious prig again) where this camper just has rings on demand. Nah, I'm sure Green is totally different because there's a google doc.