Most Valuable Class

[constelllations]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A bard sucks more exp than they add, and they're less effective against high end mobs. They're a nice class, but there's no situation when a bard is preferable to an enchanter. If you're exping, they're usually a net negative.

the question was "what class, when played masterfully, can bring out the best in a group?"

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by constelllations [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the question was "what class, when played masterfully, can bring out the best in a group?"

I'd assume "the best in a group" involves gaining experience.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but as he said you don't NEED a Chanter in a group to XP. You NEED a healer if you have a tank etc.

That's a criticism on the tank and spank strategy, not a criticism on enchanters.

[Cecily]

What's the most valuable class in a game based on class synergy? None of them.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cleric is definitely required in high-end groups. Druid/Shamans (with Chanter or Bard mana regen) can heal in Karnor's-type content. When you get into higher Sebilis/Charasis/Chardok though Clerics become necessary.

Everyone saying any class is necessary is automatically wrong. You don't need a warrior/sk/paladin, and you don't need a cleric. I've main healed every single mob in Sebilis except for Trakanon as a shaman.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone saying any class is necessary is automatically wrong. You don't need a warrior/sk/paladin, and you don't need a cleric. I've main healed every single mob in Sebilis except for Trakanon as a shaman.

Yeah, but not everyone is as big as a Twink as you!! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Check his Magelo. He has done well. And I thought my Shaman was a Twink.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, but not everyone is as big as a Twink as you!! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.][You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twink? I worked up from 0 plat and raw hide and banded armor on my shaman, brodawg.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Twink? I worked up from 0 plat and raw hide and banded armor on my shaman, brodawg.

Well I think most people on here started with the same.

[Xelris]

The tank is the core of the group and the hardest slot to fill for both gear and class capability, and represents the backbone of the group.

Think about it. A shitty healer can keep a great tank alive, but a great healer may not be able to keep a shitty tank alive. Enchanters are great and all but aren't as necessary as people are making out (and I'm saying that as someone who mained one on live and here as well as a tank and support melee).

EQ is surprisingly nuanced with simple tasks, and tanking is usually the biggest "gear check" for what encounters you can handle. Back in the day, noone on my server would touch King in seb unless you had at least a decent 60 war or an even better SK/Pal. In this particular case you really wanted that, along with an enc of at least level 58 (rapture) and a cleric of at least 56. See where the level check was?

Finally, for the skill check, the tank controls positioning, which is arguably 90% of the raid game and a significant part of the group game. A great tank is keenly aware of what the crowd control is doing and reacts to assist it, as well as having the gear necessary to survive things going wrong. Yes, good CC and good healing make things go smoother, but the machine doesn't move at all without someone to take the hits.

Anyhow they seemed underrepresented in this thread and I was surprised, and granted some unconventional groups / soloers don't use tanks, but that doesn't take away from my point.

[Duckwalk]

Most of the worst laziest players I've ever seen have been tanks who afk auto attack.

Enchanters by far bring the most to a group. With traditional groups try bring haste mezz clarity, charm dps, etc.

Outside of traditional groups chanters have great synergy also with fear, charm, lull, CC.

They fit anywhere. Not really much discussion.