SK Race Choice

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please show me where I said you need Blood Ember gear hehe. I said it's better than not having it, and better than Greenmist. Sorry you can't read. Hope this helps.

and its better to have a larger mana pool, its same reason you have clicks, even your dumb arguement should see this. or do you have to be so right that you have to shift goalposts.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and its better to have a larger mana pool, its same reason you have clicks, even your dumb arguement should see this. or do you have to be so right that you have to shift goalposts.

I love how people use "shifting the goalposts" as an argument when they realize they can't read correctly. I am sorry, but you don't even know what the goal posts are due to reading comprehension issues. That is the only reason why you think goalpost movement is happening. It's self delusion.

Max mana is less useful than clickies or Flowing Thought because most of the time you won't be at full mana. You aren't spot heal spamming in a raid. Use Blood Ember Greaves 3 times in a hard fight to let your pet tank while you tick Soul Consumption? Congratulations, you saved 360 mana, which is better than PD Robe, and you had the extra AC/HP/Regen from Vindi BP to soak more damage.

Sorry you got Robe. Sorry you don't have Blood Ember. Hope this helps.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love how people use "shifting the goalposts" as an argument when they realize they can't read correctly. I am sorry, but you don't even know what the goal posts are due to reading comprehension issues. That is the only reason why you think goalpost movement is happening. It's self delusion.

Max mana is less useful than clickies or Flowing Thought because most of the time you won't be at full mana. Use Blood Ember Greaves 3 times in a hard fight to let your pet tank while you tick Soul Consumption? Congratulations, you saved 360 mana, which is better than PD Robe, and you had the extra AC/HP/Regen from Vindi BP to soak more damage.

Sorry you got Robe. Sorry you don't have Blood Ember. Hope this helps.

Yea option b, you do have to have last word and always right

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea option b, you do have to have last word and always right

You aren't disagreeing with me because you want to have a conversation and try to help OP or expand game knowledge.

You like to play a game where you want to prove me wrong. Not because you care about whether I am correct or not, but because you have a fantasy that I want to always be right.

I have been proven wrong plenty of times on these forums, and I am quite happy about it. Many people have expanded my game knowledge, and I am grateful for that.

If you think I am wrong, you can provide evidence for your claims so we can all learn something. If max mana is significantly better for SK's than we thought, there should be more Erudite SK's cropping up, which will be cool!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Let me break down the Vindi BP vs. PD Robe comparison a bit more.

A Troll with a Vindi BP who put 20 points into INT has +34 STA and +15 HP over an Iksar with PD Robe who put 20 points into STA. Their INT is basically equal, 82 vs. 85. That means the Troll has +192 HP over the Iksar. With Vindi BP you are getting an extra 100 HP via AoB regen in a 5 minute fight with something like a Cliff Golem. So you are getting a total of 292 HP with Vindi BP, roughly speaking.

The Iksar is getting roughly 320 more mana, which translates into 1 Drain soul with about 100 mana left over. So they are getting 338 HP and 100 mana from PD robe in the same fight with a Cliff Golem.

You are essentially trading 27 worn AC and 10 ATK for 46 HP and 100 Mana. While you could argue Innate Iksar AC can close the AC gap, you are still looking at a small trade. 10 ATK for 46 HP and 100 Mana.

Best case you can make for PD robe is it is basically equal to Vindi BP in terms of what you get. One click of Blood Ember Greaves is saving you 120 mana (which Iksars cannot use), so you are really trading 10 ATK and 20 mana for 46 HP.

I am not trying to say Max Mana is worthless on an SK. A bigger mana pool means you can spam more spells in a short time. But a lot of people forget the trade-offs you make when you pick a small race vs. a big race, and also the trade-off of Iksars not being able to wear plate. In enough BiS gear you can cap Stamina, and PD Robe gets a bit better. But realistically it's going to take a lot of BiS gear to get an Iksar to cap STA without buffs, and you are still losing Blood Ember, which can provide more mana than PD robe.

I understand your initial comment was about fashion, but personally I think plate looks better than Robes. You aren't hiding all the cool gear you got.

[Vivitron]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congratulations, you saved 360 mana, which is better than PD Robe, and you had the extra AC/HP/Regen from Vindi BP to soak more damage.

180 mana. As far as I can tell even most BE pants owners keep both fd and death peace on the bar.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vivitron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

180 mana. As far as I can tell even most BE pants owners keep both fd and death peace on the bar.

Agreed, it could be 180 if you spaced out regular FDs and didn't fail any of them. It could also save more than 360 with FD fails. I am using Deaths Peace as the example because that would be the FD you put on bar if you didn't put both on bar.

[Snaggles]

The only thing worse than a sk race thread is a pally charisma one. By the time they fizzle out the op could be 60.

Does it matter? Yes
Really tho? No

It’s a class with spells that can equip awesome gear. That means a lot of the player vs npc solo battles are determined by everything else than the last 200 mana or 8pt extra standing regen. It’s 80 hps a minute or 400 in 5 mins. If the fight comes down to those razor thin margins…Jesus…

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing worse than a sk race thread is a pally charisma one. By the time they fizzle out the op could be 60.

Does it matter? Yes
Really tho? No

It’s a class with spells that can equip awesome gear. That means a lot of the player vs npc solo battles are determined by everything else than the last 200 mana or 8pt extra standing regen. It’s 80 hps a minute or 400 in 5 mins. If the fight comes down to those razor thin margins…Jesus…

Let people get the correct answer and they can figure it out for themselves if it's worth caring about[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Better than a nothing answer like this.

[Duik]

Sometimes, there is actually no answer. Faffing on about 360 standing regen (or whatever) over a 5 min fight is pointless if the mob does 700 in 2 mins and ya dead.
Some of the best play sessions have been jerry rigged parties with mismatched classes just getting it the fuck done.
The EQ meta has been worked out years ago. Recreating and repeating, adinfinitum the theoretical advantage of itemX or stratY and classZ is pointless if all the OP ends up with is a bunch of forum poopsockers arguing.
As mentioned above, an all Iksar Shm Nec Mnk/Shd group does sound fun though. ZOMG, not optimum!