Quitting TMO

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[HalflingWarrior]

So the staff bans lots of "big money" accounts, TMO disbands, and suddenly PlatLord's website has no stock of RMT plat.

Coincidence? You'll have to decide for yourselves!!!

[Seltius]

No but seriously thinking about doing open raids on PoSky and other planes anytime I see them open and spawned.

Figured all the crying about the content while still saying its 15yrs old this thread would be a good place to post.

And no im not talking about TMO running around unguilded stepping on peoples toes I am referring to exactly what your crying about. A chance for anyone guilded or unguilded to see content they want to see. See unlike alot of the people I see on the forums crying and fighting I didnt start playing this game to see end game. I started playing it for the nostalgic value and the chance to catch up with old friends I made before and the chance to meet people I would never meet whether it was demographical or geographical otherwise. Just so happens that out of the communities I am a part of and spend time talking to that TMO was the one I found that played a game I wanted to play again.

The raid scene hasnt improved nearly as much as alot of you claim. The only difference is instead of 1 guild stepping on people you have numerous all crying foul anytime someone else does to them what they do to others. Look at all the raid suspensions and the ones that get cancelled out due to another infraction. Things havent improved nearly as much as you claim. Except that now you get to do to others what was once done to you.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The raid scene hasnt improved nearly as much as alot of you claim. The only difference is instead of 1 guild stepping on people you have numerous all crying foul anytime someone else does to them what they do to others. Look at all the raid suspensions and the ones that get cancelled out due to another infraction. Things havent improved nearly as much as you claim. Except that now you get to do to others what was once done to you.

There are still problems in both classes. Yet, casual gamers are now able to see and meaningfully participate in the end game. This server is a dedicated museum to everquest, and it was a damned shame that the casual was never given the opportunity to participate on a reasonably occasional basis. The whole point of a museum is that the public gets to see the exhibits.

There are still problems, but the creation of a protected class wasn't just a good idea; it was downright decent. Anyone who can't see that is the entitled party.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are still problems in both classes. Yet, casual gamers are now able to see and meaningfully participate in the end game. This server is a dedicated museum to everquest, and it was a damned shame that the casual was never given the opportunity to participate on a reasonably occasional basis. The whole point of a museum is that the public gets to see the exhibits.

There are still problems, but the creation of a protected class wasn't just a good idea; it was downright decent. Anyone who can't see that is the entitled party.

I guess I didnt look closely enough to see any of it. I logged in chatted with friends and if I was told to raid showed up to raid. If there was training to be done in VP I did what I could to help. I dont know about you but I have never experienced a batphone though I did experience the wakeup channel sometimes. I dont remember but didnt you raid also during that time you talk about being so horrible for the server? So if that is the case doesnt that make you just as guilty as those you are talking about now? Its easy to be self righteous when no one calls you out for being a hypocrit?

As far as entitled no I dont feel entitled at all my only goal in any of this is to be able to hang with friends and maybe make a few more. Who knows one day I may run for president and need them to vote for me.(not really that was a joke)

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but didnt you raid also during that time you talk about being so horrible for the server? So if that is the case doesnt that make you just as guilty as those you are talking about now? Its easy to be self righteous when no one calls you out for being a hypocrit?

I raided that entire time. For many months. With a 50%ish attendance rate.

The issue was that the rules of the server did not enable casuals to ever experience the end game on any level. The rules have been changed so that hardcores can continue to do what they want to do and casuals are now allowed to experience the game at no real cost to the hardcore. It's literally a win/win situation. Yes, there are problems. A lot of them.

But everyone's lot has improved since the server has protected the casual. If anyone says that casuals deserve not even the barest of consideration or protection, then I am calling that person entitled. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are still problems in both classes. Yet, casual gamers are now able to see and meaningfully participate in the end game. This server is a dedicated museum to everquest, and it was a damned shame that the casual was never given the opportunity to participate on a reasonably occasional basis. The whole point of a museum is that the public gets to see the exhibits.

There are still problems, but the creation of a protected class wasn't just a good idea; it was downright decent. Anyone who can't see that is the entitled party.

I am pointing out how hypocritical your being. Its like crying on the playground that bullying shouldn't be allowed then stealing some kids lunch money. How long did you play in this sandbox prior to 2012? That's when I started and as one of probably several I played in the sandbox as the rules you and other players had set at the time allowed. Hell yes if I was asked to train in VP I trained in VP. Because that is what you and other guildmates needed of me. Did I enjoy it ill say I had fun running the mobs back and forth but I felt really bad about almost anyone who died to those trains friend or rival alike. I didn't get upset when they killed me with a train either that was part of the game. It was fun to see if I could survive a pack of crazed dragonspawn and players alike.

Yet you sit there calling myself and others the villains while reaping the rewards of that villainy for years. If you didn't like it you should have said 'hai guys I cannot raid due to this is evil.' Or left or just gone into retirement like so many other great players have done over the years.

Should the rules have changed maybe? But vilifying players that their only crime was taking what was available and enjoying it however and for whatever reason is dumb. If you weren't willing to compete then sure do what you have to do to win the game. Change the rules if that is the only way but pat yourself on the back and move on.

The posts and vitriol in this forum and game is unhealthy for anyone.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am pointing out how hypocritical your being. Its like crying on the playground that bullying shouldn't be allowed then stealing some kids lunch money. How long did you play in this sandbox prior to 2012?

September of 2010. If I feel that the speed limit should be lowered, is it wrong for me to travel at the currently posted limit? I never said that people who killed everything were wrong. I helped do it for years. I said that it would be a good idea to change the system into a win/win for all parties casual and hardcore alike.

Yet you sit there calling myself and others the villains while reaping the rewards of that villainy for years. If you didn't like it you should have said 'hai guys I cannot raid due to this is evil.' Or left or just gone into retirement like so many other great players have done over the years.

I am not vilifying people for operating within the rules. Please point out where I have done so. I said only that anyone who is against casuals having the occasional chance to experience the end game is entitled.

It's not ethically obligatory to enable casuals to experience the end game; it is, however, commendable to do so. It's a courtesy that has ultimately cost Class C nothing. Any one who is against such a win/win has a problem. I stand by my initial statement.

I kindly suggest you reread my posts as I have not laid out any of the "vitriol" you're accusing me of. I am merely stating that people who keep others down when it does themselves no benefit have a problem.

Change the rules if that is the only way

It was the only way, and I've done my best to help accomplish exactly that.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=103633

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=133596

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=161722

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=172491

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...postcount=1394

Don't accuse me of something I haven't done.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I kindly suggest you reread my posts as I have not laid out any of the "vitriol" you're accusing me of.

That wasn't directed at you specifically it was these boards this forum and as a whole when people are targeting others. I have been guilty of it and was called on it.

You are and will always be a hypocrite and its not something worth wishing would change. You rode the TMO train right over every casual raider right along with the rest of us. For however long you were just as much a part of the problem. That you stated should be changed. So congratulations you reaped the rewards of a system you state was flawed and while I agree that maybe there were changes that needed to be made. You are and never have been the white knight fighting for the underdog you seem to pretend to be. You just played forumquest differently from everquest.

Anyway I never came here originally to say anything to you. I came here to say hi to friends I hadn't spoken with in over a year.

[Cecily]

We needed the S5s and the rules allowed us to get them. Not to mention you guys were / are kinda being dicks, so we could let you have some of our s5s, but fuck you.