Best 1k-6k weapon combination for new rogue

[skarlorn]

Honestly, Dragoon dirk is one of your better options for a long time. Back me up on this one, Cec.

[Cecily]

Agreed. It's not just some dumb toothpick dagger. If you look really, really closely, the guard is spiked on the Dragoon Dirk instead of horizontal. Little details like that show everyone you're serious about being taken seriously.

[fugazi]

Looking great and ensuring you're the envy of the elf sim is what it is all about, efficiency be damned.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was wondering if Green Jade Axe would be good. Seems nice it would hit hard for sure. Just kind of slow with 32 delay, and I am unsure how delay would affect offhand damage tbh. Maybe a faster secondary weapon would be better?

I always thought the Green Jade Axe was overpriced garbage. It's the same ratio as CSS, but it ganks your hitpoints (at level 50 it comes out to -5hp, at level 60 -15hp). Strength and Save Poison are too easy to cap besides. CSS gives you better push which is pretty important to have in the Rogue toolbox.

[Vexenu]

Thoughts on 12/22 vs. 13/26 for main hand pre-epic?

I haven't parsed it, but the 12/22 seems to be better. Don't seem to hit the max BSes often enough with the 13/26 to compensate for the weaker ratio and higher delay.

Also, I've run into a few Rogues main-handing a 12/19 and offhanding the Epic. Is that actually better DPS? Granted, 12/19 is the superior ratio and applies the damage bonus more often, but I thought the 15 damage of Epic would be more important, especially 55+ when double backstabs come into play.

[Cecily]

Skull Fanged Stiletto? Much much better ratio. I'd definitely use that over any 25+ del junk. Good luck finding one. Dual wielding those is something I wanna do someday on a new rogue.

Regarding Thornstinger.. It smokes epic in ratio and it's really fast. Was the best Pre-VP weapon setup back in Kunark. In current content, we're dealing mobs with super high AC, particularly giants. What that means in reality is lots and lots of minimum backstabs. Having a fast main allows you to apply your damage bonus more... It's less rolling the dice versus possibly getting a 553. A 120 on a Thornstinger is gonna hit just as hard as an Epic 120.

I've seen TS + RB perform really well on a recent flurry drake raid. Very viable option still for people w/ guilds that do sky.


I guess the big take away is that backstabs are only a part of our damage. Guessing... 40% BS, 30-40% mainhand, and the remainder from offhand. A big jump in ratio and speed for your mainhand will overcome lower max backstab damage.

[Xaanka]

i used a 13/17 over my epic in main hand a lot and i usually topped meters. rule of thumb is epic and duelist disc for low ac kunark raid or velious group/small raid content stuff and short fights, best ratio mh and deadeye disc for high ac long fight targets. which means epic mh for most content, but high ratio mh is better for the most difficult content. i would also use the fast mh over the epic during small group raids on targets that needed push.

never really tested it after the 3x duelist backstab breaking point was discovered, but i'd be willing to guess that with this knowledge in mind, if you have max haste the best strategy on high AC would be to continue using the lower damage dagger as MH, but to use duelist + swap epic to MH instead of deadeye as the disc.

maybe jupe can jump in and give a better answer, i quit right around when we discovered the 3x duelist backstab haste breaking point on red.

[sdp00888]

What is the 3x duelist backstab?

[Xaanka]

at 40% haste (ragebringer) you can backstab twice during duelist discipline
at 41% haste you can backstab 3 times during duelist discipline

edit: a low delay mainhand is also great for group content where push is needed, especially small groups or playing with people who don't understand push. i remember it opened up comfortably running smaller groups for a bunch of little epic type fights that most people would bring 2 melee to.

[Vengnce]

So I have totally kept an eye on all this advice and it has been awesome for someone dipping his toes into the rogue waters for the first time since before i could legally drive. My issue has been finding a Small Dragonbone Shard, Serpent's Tooth, Frozen Shard or anything of the sort for sale in EC.

I was able to call in some favors and scored a good starter set of gear and some PP which i promptly blew on some haste gloves, but I have 1700 left over and figured that should be more than enough to score one of the aforementioned three weapons. I log in frequently and check auction logs and it just seems like there is nothing up. Is this normal? Any suggestions on alternatives?