VD = BAD

[Uberom]

Originally Posted by Teeroyoyort [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your enchanter friend died, and you couldn't handle the camp by your lonesome self. VD comes in, takes advantage of said opportunity (probably not the nicest of things), and kills everything. All while the enchanter finally comes back and all hell breaks loose? Then later you take every Efreeti while VD is killing the surrounding mobs? That's wonderful. Maybe if your enchanter friend didn't die you wouldn't have had this problem. Tell me something like he died because of a resist to lull. So I can say, next time don't take the risk of duo'n w/o a healer, and loosing your camp.

After we killed Efreeti, we both went bio AFK.
I came back to see ENC dead, I killed the roamer that killed him.
Said ENC is bound outside of SOLB.
Said ENC comes back to his corpse, trailing VD who is clearing without question anything they come across.

Our spawn wasn't even fully popped. We lull and charm pets and run a ROTATION, because we're a duo, and have to keep a consistent and safe camp. Obviously having to take a piss in real life fucked that up, but still, I was still at camp calling it. Just because you see a mob up in a camp doesn't mean its a fucking free for all for the entire thing.

How we run our camp is not up for discussion. I was physically there, the ENC was physically there, before the full rotation was ready to be killed.

The problem was, VD decided if it was up, it was free, so they killed everything we used to make ENC pets with.

The party who is camping the spawn decides how the FUCK it is pulled, not some jackasses who roll up all johnny come lately.

Read the server rules on CAMPS DEFINED.
Shut the fuck up, and delete your account.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After we killed Efreeti, we both went bio AFK.
I came back to see ENC dead, I killed the roamer that killed him.
Said ENC is bound outside of SOLB.
Said ENC comes back to his corpse, trailing VD who is clearing without question anything they come across.

Our spawn wasn't even fully popped. We lull and charm pets and run a ROTATION, because we're a duo, and have to keep a consistent and safe camp. Obviously having to take a piss in real life fucked that up, but still, I was still at camp calling it. Just because you see a mob up in a camp doesn't mean its a fucking free for all for the entire thing.

How we run our camp is not up for discussion. I was physically there, the ENC was physically there, before the full rotation was ready to be killed.

The problem was, VD decided if it was up, it was free, so they killed everything we used to make ENC pets with.

The party who is camping the spawn decides how the FUCK it is pulled, not some jackasses who roll up all johnny come lately.

Read the server rules on CAMPS DEFINED.
Shut the fuck up, and delete your account.

Why did you both bio break at the same time? Come on, that's just noobish.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did you both bio break at the same time? Come on, that's just noobish.

They needed to run a ROTATION.

Sorry...couldn't help it....

[Roofie]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After we killed Efreeti, we both went bio AFK.

When people 2 box.. They tend to bio at the same time.. And yes you were Date raped. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kavanah]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After we killed Efreeti, we both went bio AFK.
I came back to see ENC dead

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was duoing efreeti spawn, succesfully, when VD group showed up and basically just took the camp

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hours later, me and my ENC friend go to efreeti, and we duo our way up to the camp. Lo and behold, who's corpse is waiting out in front of the imps? My Enchanter friends. =/

Fix'd

=D

[YendorLootmonkey]

1. Going forward, if you intend to hold or claim a camp, your group must retain presence at that camp. If you have no competition in the zone, you are more than welcome to hold as many as you like. The moment another party wants to claim a camp and you are "farming" multiple, you must decide which camp you want and forfeit the ones someone else is interested in. We still expect players to use the courtesy camp check before zerging a room. If there is a full spawn of mobs in a camp room up I think that would be considered not camped. How you pull the camp is up to you, as long as you are able to engage the mobs very shortly after they are spawned.

4. In order to hold a camp, the player or group must be able to demonstrate the ability to hold the camp without further help.
*Example* An enchanter and lvl 40 ranger are in a group. The enchanter leaves to go kill frenzy and the ranger stay at lord. In this instance both camps are not considered held as the ranger could not survive this camp on his own without the enchanter.

So I guess the pertinent question here is, can the mage pull, engage, and kill Freeti on his own without the help of the Enchanter to pacify/lull the other camp mobs? If no, then #4 applies... the enchanter is gone for whatever reason, the remaining player could not survive the camp on his own until the enchanter returns. At that point, the camp is not held.

If the mage can pull, engage, and kill Freeti on his own while the area was full spawn, then why was that not demonstrated when requested?

If it was because you were low mana or whatever, and because your enchanter friend died, then it sounds like you weren't able to maintain the camp.

Agree with Teeroy... was it the most considerate? Probably not. Legit? Depends on the answers to the above questions. Are people as considerate with Lord, Frenzy, Planes, etc?

Everything is camped to high hell, with lines of players waiting. For Freeti. For Frenzy. For Lord. For the Planes. Going in to duo Freeti is risk vs. reward... you risk fucking up, getting one or both of you killed, and losing the camp because you could not keep it. Your reward is you only have to share the loot drops with one other person. You knew the risks going in, just like a necro or enchanter soloing Frenzy does.

[Uberom]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I guess the pertinent question here is, can the mage pull, engage, and kill Freeti on his own without the help of the Enchanter to pacify/lull the other camp mobs? If no, then #4 applies... the enchanter is gone for whatever reason, the remaining player could not survive the camp on his own until the enchanter returns. At that point, the camp is not held.

If the mage can pull, engage, and kill Freeti on his own while the area was full spawn, then why was that not demonstrated when requested?

If it was because you were low mana or whatever, and because your enchanter friend died, then it sounds like you weren't able to maintain the camp.

Agree with Teeroy... was it the most considerate? Probably not. Legit? Depends on the answers to the above questions. Are people as considerate with Lord, Frenzy, Planes, etc?

Everything is camped to high hell, with lines of players waiting. For Freeti. For Frenzy. For Lord. For the Planes. Going in to duo Freeti is risk vs. reward... you risk fucking up, getting one or both of you killed, and losing the camp because you could not keep it. Your reward is you only have to share the loot drops with one other person. You knew the risks going in, just like a necro or enchanter soloing Frenzy does.

NO YOU JACKASS BECAUSE EFREETI WAS ALREADY DEAD, BECAUSE WE JUST KILLED HIM!

FUCKING MORONS.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Uberom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NO YOU JACKASS BECAUSE EFREETI WAS ALREADY DEAD, BECAUSE WE JUST KILLED HIM!

FUCKING MORONS.

I don't care when he was killed. You're glossing over the one rule that destroys your argument:

4. In order to hold a camp, the player or group must be able to demonstrate the ability to hold the camp without further help.
*Example* An enchanter and lvl 40 ranger are in a group. The enchanter leaves to go kill frenzy and the ranger stay at lord. In this instance both camps are not considered held as the ranger could not survive this camp on his own without the enchanter.

This makes no mention of Lord being up, just having been killed, or whatever. The fact remains that if the ranger is there, at Lord, in an empty camp... IT IS NOT CAMPED BECAUSE THE RANGER (TRUST ME, I KNOW) WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP IT CLEAR.

Can you pull and engage Freeti (regardless of whether he or the PH is up) on your own without your enchanter friend to pacify/lull/charm pets to help kill it? Just answer the question, bro. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nakara]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care when he was killed. You're glossing over the one rule that destroys your argument:

and you're missing the post where he said the enchanter was bound outside and returned to camp right after he died before the next spawn

[Uberom]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care when he was killed. You're glossing over the one rule that destroys your argument:



This makes no mention of Lord being up, just having been killed, or whatever. The fact remains that if the ranger is there, at Lord, in an empty camp... IT IS NOT CAMPED BECAUSE THE RANGER (TRUST ME, I KNOW) WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP IT CLEAR.

Can you pull and engage Freeti (regardless of whether he or the PH is up) on your own without your enchanter friend to pacify/lull/charm pets to help kill it? Just answer the question, bro. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, your quoting a rule that applies to people camping multiple camps.

We were camping 1 spawn.

And as I keep saying, I dont have to "demonstrate" to anyone that I can solo the camp. It's obviously demonstrated when you see half the fucking camp is dead and Djarn was just killed, fucking moron. At any 1 point in time you can't be like,

"Oh well I dont think you can maintain this full spawn, so Im going to take it"

That's not how it works. Its my spawn until I die or don't pull mobs for a period that is unreasonable, as per the rules. Obviously we were pulling mobs at a reasonable rate, because again, half the spawn was fucking killed.

Once again, the people who run the camp decide how fast it gets killed, not the people who are challenging it.

I'd like to once again reiterate that even though VD members said in /ooc "Show us this is yours by killing it", they continued to pull mobs non stop, thereby eliminating all ENC pets we were to use in clearing OUR camp.

Now, we could have charmed one of them and made it our pet, but we don't FUCKING KILLSTEAL other peoples shit.

Stop trying to defend your guild, Lootbitch, you weren't there. They know they were fucking wrong, everyone on this forum knows it, and if you don't think so, have someone come to your camp and tell you how to pull and what/ when to pull, and tell me what you fucking think....

fucking baddies will be BAD.