Hey Forsaken

[Fzhoul]

Just posting here to clear it up. Anonymous has no direct enemies (at least from our end), we have been asked to merge in with a few guilds and our stance is the same. We are prepared to stand on our own now in the current raid environment and come velious.

[Rayzor84]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious launch would go much smoother with just one "competitive" guild. Isn't that what you, Hoku, and Rogean discussed over dinner, Unbrella? TMO / Rampage merger never happened so incoming sanctions. I don't have any vested in how any of this goes anymore, but it's sad to see my old guild getting kicked while they are down. Almost makes you wanna quit, huh? Maybe that's the point.

Your old guild shouldn't have tried to get around their class restrictions.

[Tiggles]

With Forsaken suspended till velious and rampage having 2 weeks of uncontested kills I think the velious launch of blue will be interesting..


And by interesting I mean it's going to suck.

[arsenalpow]

How about this, where is the correspondence from Sirken giving Forsaken approval to go nuts in class R?

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They halfway thought it through, but I don't think they actually followed up with Sirken.

[Misek84]

From the IB raid suspension page around 3/2015 (my linking skill suck)

"if i remember correctly, this has only happened one other time, and it involved TMO using Enraptured to circumvent a raid suspension. Enraptured was created by TMO and used by TMO as an alt guild prior to the suspension coming down. I also watched TMO leadership telling members to get tagged in Enraptured to circumvent punishment, and i didn't allow it. it was literally the exact same leadership and was specifically ordered to be used to avoid punishment.

this is not the case with Rampage, and so i did not treat them that way. and as i told TMO, if they want to disband their guild to form another guild, if they want to wipe dkp, if they want to shut down the TMO website, if they install new leadership, and if they did all that without knowing that the suspension was coming (to ensure it wasnt being done to circumvent me), then id be ok with it. and that was why I told Rampage that they would not be suspended.

That said, multiple staff members have reviewed this decision, and it has been decided that these punishments will still remain with any players that were IB tagged at the time of the incident, as well as any players that are currently tagged under IB.
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So as you can see staff almost let Ramp not even serve IB suspension but end up being they had to serve the last few days (during no repop days). There were no penalty for Ramp killing mobs when they were suppose to b suspended because they were considered a new guild. But when TMO reformed to Forshaken they are considered the same guild and get a 3 week suspension (included this week deleted loot). How id that fair?

[Cecily]

You can go off of Sirken's quote there and see their reasoning that they, as a new entity, would be allowed to have some autonomy in what their guild's raiding style would be like. It's just a punishment for not asking for permission and pretty shitty they weren't warned by staff beforehand.

[Samoht]

Wasn't Rampage formed from several guilds, though? And didn't an overwhelming majority of the current members of Foreskin come from a single entity? Seems like a difference to me.

[Cecily]

The vast majority of Rampage was composed of IB. I don't see a distinction there, and if you really wanna split hairs... Lord Bob merger is still fairly recent.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said 7 when it was really 5, oh, woe is me.

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[Misek84]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn't Rampage formed from several guilds, though? And didn't an overwhelming majority of the current members of Foreskin come from a single entity? Seems like a difference to me.

If you wanna argue about some minor details (85% of IB moved over while 95% of TMo moved over or whatever) go ahead. There are no specific rules what is considered a "new guild" anyways.

All im saying is it looks biased when staff is pushing for Ramp to be considered a new guild to avoid serving remainder of its sus. But when TMO reforms in same way it isnt considered a "new guild" after it kills a few mobs in R and then slapped with a very harsh penalty.