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[Argh]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the 10% of the times mean monthly guilds aren't able to kill a mob they are on rotation for. So they get assistance, and then in a few weeks they are able to assist that guild for a second kill.

Again, that doesn't happen. People don't team up for mobs and then have an implicit agreement to team up on the other guilds kill (It makes no sense for the aiding guild to oblige to this).

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is also important to remember what precipitated the necessity for 12-hour alliance windows. When guilds would have blackout hours they would refuse to track or try to kill, mobs but at the same time they would refuse to drop down to the bottom of the rotation after failing to kill their Class R mob.

The blackouts were and still are completely retarded.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It did used to be worse. But it can still get better. Simply saying you kill a mob and get a lockout, you drop to bottom of rotation. That's all that needs to be said to improve the rotation. Covers guilds allying together, and the big-bad taken (who you appear to have a Pie-Chart-Hardon for) sniping Class R mobs after they go FFA.

Sure but neither side is ever really willing to compromise without a half day vent-summit where everyone screams at one another until theres 4 people left standing to hammer out a deal. Each vent summit is preceded by the exact scenario that is playing out now. Taken/Div/BDA want new rules, and threaten to go rogue if they aren't implemented.

Taken/Div/BDA feel they don't really need to compromise because they think they have all the leverage because if they leave the rotation they will get every 1/3 R mob.

Everyone else feels that they have all the leverage because they are 7/10 of the guilds in the rotation and control a clear super majority.

Nothing ever really happens in FAP without it going completely nuclear, because there is no system in place to actually implement new rules or policies. It's just one side screaming at the other on FAP until they get on vent to scream at each other until there are new rules.

Also, anyone who has ever had to deal with Taken on FAP shares the disdain I have for them.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, anyone who has ever had to deal with Taken on FAP shares the disdain I have for them.

finally something you said I can agree with !

[Daldaen]

Gonna stop you there.

If it's about competition and not loot you wouldn't be filing petition after petition trying to get your only competition in Class C suspended or loot returned. If you had such a fantastic rapport with IB that kind of stuff wouldn't be happening.

Sure you may enjoy your competition. But saying pixels don't motivate is a flat out lie. May not matter to some of you, eh maybe. But the guild as a whole, certainly.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gonna stop you there.

If it's about competition and not loot you wouldn't be filing petition after petition trying to get your only competition in Class C suspended or loot returned. If you had such a fantastic rapport with IB that kind of stuff wouldn't be happening.

Sure you may enjoy your competition. But saying pixels don't motivate is a flat out lie. May not matter to some of you, eh maybe. But the guild as a whole, certainly.

Wow, you really are dense, aren't you? Part of competition is following rules and when the people you are competing with break the rules, you go to the authorities to ensure a fair and even competition. Nothing that you have said, shows that these guilds are motivated by loot 'because they filed a petition'. Your logic doesn't make any sense. Are you seriously not capable of understanding what competition means to the class C guilds?

It doesn't surprise me though, that the bigger class R guilds would do what they can to bully the smaller guilds who help eachother out, into changing the rules that were agreed to. They talk about how greedy and horrible TMO/IB are, yet they can't allow the smaller guilds to help each other out without making a fuss because 'oh noes, both those small guilds got to split the loot on 2 3am spawns instead of the 2 guilds having to split the loot from one spawn'.

The behavior of some of the larger class R guilds on this matter disgusts me.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, you really are dense, aren't you? Part of competition is following rules

Then why are the guilds who always talk about competition constantly looking for any possible way to get around or lawyer the rules?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why are the guilds who always talk about competition constantly looking for any possible way to get around or lawyer the rules?

Pay no attention to what they actually do, it is not permitted to hold them accountable for their actions.

[heartbrand]

Since this thread looks like it's gone down the shitter already, I may as well help flush it.

We got 100% of all raid targets this week on Red with zero variance. Was able to easily schedule my RL around the raid targets since I know exactly when they will spawn. Was a lot of fun.

[Mendo]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since this thread looks like it's gone down the shitter already, I may as well help flush it.

We got 100% of all raid targets this week on Red with zero variance. Was able to easily schedule my RL around the raid targets since I know exactly when they will spawn. Was a lot of fun.

I tried red. I had a ton of fun until I ran into a bunch of fools running speed hacks to catch me and hit me with their T-staffs. I sent in a couple of petitions and saw nothing come from it. I left, that was a year or so ago so maybe things have changed?

[Erati]

I love that Taken is the only R guild who "sets up to snipe" according to Argh yet Taken hasnt even sniped an R mob once

we have been asked to kill some mobs for another guilds turn when they couldnt

i suppose thats a snipe?

[Poosammich]

I'm coming in late I know, and to be honest don't really care as I'm miles away from any potential raiding and my main is a Necro. Which in my experience isn't a go to class for raids. Anyways. The nature of EQ has ALWAYS swayed to the neckbeards. Due to raid targets being uninstanced it was always FTE, and I don't recall any such rotation crap on Live. What we have here is a server trying to "instance" these bosses to share the loot so the poopsockers don't get everything. I do not envy the GM's for this one, but I could see how a months long rotation being abused would get old.

On a more on course note, there has to be a means to randomize some of these spawns, and still keep the weekly pops up? I know its not "classic", but there has to be a better alternative.