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Sarnak
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Been doing a bit of searching and found some material by mister Bodi Kibadachi over at monkly-business.
http://www.castle-grounds.co.uk/eq/monkepicquest.htm
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The Particle effect does not show if 2 weapons are wielded, but a 2HB weapon or one 1HB will show the effect in the other hand.
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This could mean two things (but, in both cases, the graphic is not bound to the hands slot), depending on your reasoning:
1.) The fists' graphic is bound to primary and secondary slots. If it was a hand slot graphic, the epic particles would show regardless of weapons being wielded. If it was bound to primary and secondary, a 2HB weapon would overwrite the secondary slot graphic.
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2.) The fists' graphics are bound to primary and secondary and since you cannot equip a secondary item while wielding a 2hb, the graphic still shows.
Also found some related material on monk epic:
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Handing either form of Kaiaren (Mad or True) the Book of the Celestial Fists and the Demon Fangs, results in the Monk Epic, the Gloves called the Celestial Fists being handed over, with the following text.
Kaiaren bows his head and breathes a long sigh as if relived of a great weight. He then looks up at you and says, 'I honestly did not believe you could have defeated Vorash. Even though he sought nothing but war and bloodshed, it is a life nonetheless and we must mourn him. I will sew these fangs into magical fist wraps and they shall be yours. Remember Xenevorash. A purpose can be found for every situation and individual. To achieve perfection is to perceive this truth.'
The experience recieved for finishing this quest was approximatly two and a half blue bubs at level 52.
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Shows that, unlike p99, the final hand in can be either sane or mad Kaiaren.
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Celestial Fist Amendments by Verant:
September 2000: The Lheao section was not very clear. He said something along the lines of "I need proof you are from Danl and proof of your mastery." but only AFTER you have already given him the note. Telling Lheao that you have the book 'Immortals.' did not trigger him like it should. The proof of Mastery, after a leap of faith from both Derra and Bloodscale, was found to be the RotWF. Kaiaren also says one more line than he used to. A patch added the information we have now.
October: Kaiarens true form was bugged, and turning in the scale from Eejag resulted in xp and the return of the scale. This was able to be done multiple times, and was rumored to have very quickly leveled a Monk from 40 to 60 in this manner. The following are patch messages from the time before the quest was finished.
Due to some difficulties regarding the Epic Quests implemented two patches ago, the epic quests for the Monk, Wizard, and Druid will not be completable until the next patch. While we would like to have implemented updates right away for these issues, we are mid-way in our conversion to support the DirectX changes that have been announced.
We appreciate your patience.
- The EverQuest Team
This was also added in a EQ Forum:
I verified that the Celestial Fist of Earth is spawning on live servers and made sure that part of the quest works. He is and it does. Kaiaren as you all know has been permakilled on live servers due to the Charred Scale exploit, something I should have caught in development and testing should have caught in testing and I apologize for it. He will be back up and fixed after the next patch.
Thanks, Solist
It was (not long) later found that the Earth fist (a sleeping Ogre/Trunt) was indeed in the game, as at this time, Monks did not believe he was.
November: The Quest was completed on Test, due to the fact that Kaiaren was not (and is still not as of early November) back in the game on the live servers. The Haste is Item Haste, and the Robe was not returned, so effectively making most Monks able to do the quest, at a loss Haste wise. Those lucky enough to have CoF or Belt of Tranquility where already at 36% to 40% Haste, and that did not include the 25% Haste of the Robe. Even those with a FBSS (21%) and the robe where at 46% Haste total. Now they have increased the item haste to 40%, but lost the robes effects. This is not of consequence to some, but the Robe was one of our best Chest pieces, and makes the quest seem not too viable in some peoples eyes.
Wakefield, the Monk with the CF's was asked to do some feedback relating to the CF's, and sent a diplomatic email explaining that the Str and Haste where not really on par with an epic weapon, which is more or less what I have said above. He mentioned Att bonuses rather than Str, and perhaps better haste. He then received this email as a reply from Soloist, the Quest writer:
Thanks for the feedback. There are indeed some problems due to code changes that were made regarding the Celestial Fists and they are not currently working as I intended. I won't give you the details on exactly what they are supposed to do but we will have them fixed and working properly before our next patch. I just want to assure everyone in the monk community that they won't be going live the way they are, and that nothing on Test is guaranteed to be the same on live.
Thanks, Solist
Wakefield then replied with this post a few days later:
"I hate to say this, but yeah the fists have been changed... and no I cant tell you how =P. Solist asked me for feedback again and asked if I could keep it secret. Haha, I feel like a dick but I will be keeping this new change secret. Best I can say is.... me like"
"They will increase damage and he asked for some fast feedback before it goes live. I noticed 2 potential problems with the new change and 1 is easily resolvable by us. Emailed him again with some more points only a experienced monk user could give and a coder wouldnt think of, I think its gonna work out. Soon as this is live and yall do the quest I'll join ya all in philosophizing, hehe."
A few days later, someone then cracked the SPDat on test, and noticed that the 40 bns to Str has been changed to Att instead.
The patch on November 15th Changed the CF's permanent effect of 40% Item haste, +12ac and +40str, to what they are now. Before the patch, the CF's also did not change the properties of the HtH of those who wielded them.
June 2001: A patch has resolved some stacking issues --where Haste higher than 40 percent would overwrite Celestial Tranquility, and we would lose the additional 40 attack and 12 AC from the effect. Now the haste is the only part overwritten, and we keep the att and AC.
August 2001: Another patch has resolved more stacking issues with Celestail Tranquility, this time with Call of the Earth, a Ranger 4 point damage sheild and 24 to 26 AC buff.
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Some changes that were made up to Post-Velious
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Is there a minimum level for the Celestial Fists?
If you are under 53rd level, Lhaeo, when you tell him you will take responsibility, will tell you to hunt beetles or something similar. It has been confirmed that you can hand the items over anyway, and many Monks 50+ even when given that message have the book given to them. It has been confirmed that you will recive the book if you are under 50th (or at least 48th), but your fist change to damage and delay will NOT work until you are 51+.
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Taken from FAQs. I don't know if there is a level restriction on when the fists change the monks dam/dly but there it is.
Also for those of you who haven't seen the chart yet:
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The Effect Celestial Tranquility is a right clickable 40% Song haste, +12 AC and +53 Att. Its duration is 9 seconds.
They also change the Damage/Delay of both of your fists to 9/16, not including any Haste you may already have.
Haste Item
Haste Total
Damage Delay of Fists
None 0% 9 dmg 16 dly
Right Click Effect of Celestial Fists 40% 9 dmg 13 dly
With right click + FBSS 61% 9 dmg 11 dly
With right click + CoF 76% 9 dmg 10 dly
Max Item + Max Enchanter Haste 85% 9 dmg 9 dly
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