I'll quote this since it fell to a previous page and no TMO wanted to yell about kiting sev while it was still fresh in people's minds. Getsome also drew a few nice maps proving how long it should take to bring sev to your camp by both routes. Feel free to re-read them, but shut up about sev.
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Originally Posted by Shiftin
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You got a response. There is no evidence to prove you weren't kiting the mob and some evidence that you were. At the very least it's not conclusive because a mob that's being kited is not engaged.
Your leaders and ours have been given that ruling by every single GM or guide who has ever presided over a raid dispute. Your officers and raid leaders keep trying to pretend that's not true and that they haven't been warned multiple times about it, but it is. If they didn't know this rule, they wouldn't have told your bards to attempt to pull talendor off of our bards in the past when they thought we were kiting.
The only evidence presented has suggested you were kiting. The things you keep presenting as the facts have been disproven as massive exaggerations. If they were the actual facts (they aren't) and you could prove them (you can't), we wouldn't be having this talk. India, you are completely missing the point. He didn't run straight to your raid. He took the very longest way possible and it took him a material amount of time longer than to just run the long way. That means he intentionally dragged the dragon way out of the way rather than straight to your raid, waiting for the dragon to catch up to him on his out of the way path. This is how you define kiting. Continually pointing out that he took this path and made sure the dragon followed him is just admitting that he kited.
Of course there is going to be a disparity in rulings between that and what happened on VS. The reason is a disparity of evidence. Make your bards run fraps and tell everyone to keep their logs on. Quit relying on forum trolls thinking they'll incite the GMs to action with worthless threats.
I'm sorry you got raid suspended, but you have 1 person to blame for that and it's not the first time he's done this sort of thing. From trying to game FTE with idols and feeding trak lifetaps to stealing triggered mobs in sky, he has operated as if the rules did not apply to him for almost 3 months. Your members have taunted us here and in game, flaunting what they have gotten away with in the face of dozens of fraps and logs proving what he was doing. You followed and supported him anyway. You cannot cry foul when a ruling finally goes against you because of your guildleaders actions. You knew full well what he was doing. Your own members even admitted it in tells to us.
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Jeremy, the selective enforcement claims can easily go both ways. Have you completely forgotten getting TMO and Taken to band together to steal our triggered noble cycle in sky (taken admitted they were wrong, you still haven't)? How about the 13 minute+ sev kites from august? How about Lenfer training everything from boogey house to graveyard on us at west wall, naked, then getting ressed back to his clothed body at your camp during a contested CT? Zeelot engaging trak when you had 7 people in the lair as we rushed in? Winterfresh (durison) training us with juggs? Zeelot pulling aggro on our trakanons to get lifetapped week after week? The crap your pullers did on Faydedar so you could claim FTE? Do I really have to remind you, an otherwise intelligent person, about these things? We have open petitions just as old as yours.
It goes both ways, and just because we don't have massive RNF threads every time we don't get our way doesn't mean we haven't had petitions ignored. We don't flip out and threaten to start our own server, we move on and collect better proof. The devs have a ton of work to do on this server, and are constantly doing stuff (see: the massive changelogs from this weeks patch). They shouldn't have to develop a custom tool to make you feel warm and fuzzy in raid disputes. Run fraps or even take some screenshots. Set your .ini to log all the time. This isn't rocket surgery. You're a cool dude but you're starting to sound like Zereh.
Speaking of... I can't believe Zereh and co. are already trying to rewrite the history of what happenned at VS. "Oh, it was a few mobs, you would have wiped anyway!". It was a crapton of mobs and he wouldn't have done it if VS wasn't going to die. There's a freaking video and logs. Sack up and admit what he did was blatantly and intentionally meant to attempt to wipe us. If you can't even admit that, why should you have any credibility?
10-27-2011, 10:40 AM
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