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JBB is more efficient for leveling than root rotting and dotting all the way to 60, even when comparing an Ogre with JBB to an Iksar without JBB (racial regen). Quote:
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I took a druid to a higher lvl and that would have been splendid having a mana efficient heal like torp. But nvm. | |||
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You didn’t. I literally showed you the exact opposite: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=416 You then moved the goalposts to a theoretical fight in PoM (rats). The mob now has 7k hp. I played along nicely. You moved the goalpost but I plugged in the exact parameters you provided. I even adjusted the pet dps up to 17 to accommodate YOUR parameters. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=430 Just face the music. You were wrong.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 01-27-2024 at 12:33 AM..
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Here is an easier to read version, using Troxx's example with the 1x regular root:
Criteria ========= 1. Level 58 Shaman. 2. Mob does 10 DPS while slowed with Togor's Insects. 3. 7000 HP mob, A Ratfink from PoM Rat Maze. 4. Ogre Shaman gains 28.46 Mana per tick while canni dancing with overhead from self Regrowth and pet Celerity over 1 hour. 5. Iksar Shaman gains 33.44 Mana per Tick while canni dancing with overhead from self Regrowth and pet Celerity over 1 hour. Ogre with JBB ============= - JBB (32.8 DPS) + Hasted Pet (17 DPS) + Blight, Hammer of the Scourge weapon proc (2.2 DPS) = 53 DPS - 396 HP recovered from Standing Regen (3 HP) + Regrowth (15 HP) over 22 ticks - 1320 damage taken from face tanking (10 DPS) - 22 Mana recovered from Standing Regen (1 Mana) over 22 ticks - 175 Mana spent on 1x Togor's Insects 615 Total mana spent using the values above 132 seconds to kill the mob (53 DPS) 130 Seconds of recovery time when recovering 28.46 mana per tick via canni dance 262 Second of encounter time per mob including recovery. Iksar without JBB using root/rotting ============= - 2x Envenomed Bolt (2665 Damage) + 1x Plague (1270 Damage) + Hasted and Regened Pet (17 DPS) = ~37.2 DPS when factoring in DoTs will not be active for the full fight - 501 HP recovered from canni dance regen (16 HP) over 31 ticks - 658 Mana recovered from canni dance regen (21 Mana) over 31 ticks - 640 Mana spent on 2x Envenomed Bolts - 300 Mana spent on 1x Plague - 175 Mana spent on 1x Togor's Insects - 30 Mana spent on 1x Root - 125 Mana spent due to losing 5 canni dance ticks while casting the 5 spells above - 69 Mana spent on overhead from casting Regen on Pet for the full hour 431 Total Mana Spent from the values above 188 seconds to kill the mob (37.2 DPS) 77 seconds of recovery time when recovering 33.44 mana per tick via canni dance 265 Seconds of encounter time per mob including recovery. When you factor in all of the overhead, you will see that the JBB Shaman clears the encounter 3 seconds faster using Troxx's exact example of 1x Root, 2x Envenomed Bolts, 1x Plague, and 1x Togor's Insects. This example does not take into account the DoT Shaman's increased chances of spell resists (spending more mana), root breaks (spending more mana, taking damage), and requirement to canni dance perfectly while in combat (gaining less mana when missing the server tick). This is why JBB is the better leveling tool from 45-60. Even when comparing a Shaman race with Regen to a Shaman race without Regen, the JBB wins. Simplifying your playstyle and reducing RNG while clearing mobs at the same speed is better in the long run. You save a good amount of time and mana by avoiding the extra RNG elements that root/rotting has. For people who want to see more details on some of the calculations:
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 01-27-2024 at 01:34 AM..
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But, to be clear - I'm not saying it's bad faith to dispute the assumption that root is sufficient. I'm saying that proceeding to calculating numbers while implicitly disputing assumptions is in bad faith - numbers are meaningless without an agreed-upon set of assumptions. Quote:
I can calculate the expected damage due to procs, but given your past hostility to calculations of expected values, I'm only willing to do so if you're genuinely interested. Off the top of my head, I expect it to end up somewhere between one half and three quarters of the naive calculation. Quote:
I would never judge another person, nor presume to know what is in their heart. It is the act that I label, and not the person. I am not here to defend Troxx - it is not I to whom he shall have to answer. I try to learn from anyone who has something to teach me, regardless of whatever personal failings they may have. I've learned a ton from you! I bought a PWC and SCHW on your advice, and that served me very well indeed. If you think I've trolled you, that saddens me, and I can only offer a heartfelt apology, whether or not it is accepted. I feel bad about last night. I made an honest mistake - I thought you said you hadn't deleted and reposted. That made me excited that perhaps I found a bug in the bulletin board software; I'm aware that that may be hard to understand and easy to mock, but to put it in familiar terms I guess it's like stumbling across Quillmane back before the whole idea of placeholders was well understood. | |||||
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You have never "QA'ed" the forum before, but all of a sudden decided to use my post to do so. I've never seen someone randomly post a forum bug in a thread either. If you thought it was a bug, you can contact the devs of the forum. It's very suspicious to say the least. You have a pattern of pushing back on my points, while never pushing back on other people's points. I don't mind the push back, but I find it odd you ignore all of the mathematical flaws in Troxx's post or others posts on a consistent basis. If you were being unbiased and genuinely trying to find the answer to the problem, you should statistically push back on other posters occasionally. You also reposted a common strawman/lie that other trolls repost: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=238 . You wouldn't do this if you weren't trolling. There's no reason to post a strawman/lie about another poster.
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Mr brown is the most placating human on the boards. Yet you find fault in his approach to you. He is (could have been before that post) virtually your best friend here. | |||
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Do you have questions about Shaman races? Read my guide: https://wiki.project1999.com/Shamwow...man_Race_Guide Want to see Shaman videos? Check out my youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFU...zEFJVBIH3-jUog | |||
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