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1. 400 actions over 21 minutes (19 APM) 2. +15 Regen provided 2400 HP (2 Torpors). I didn't have Regrowth on for the first 5 minutes or so. 3. I cast 33 Torpors and 121 cannibalizes, which means 4 cannibalizes per Torpor. 4. (4 actions from 2x Torpor + 2x GCD) + (16 actions from 8x cannablizes + 8x GCD) = 20 actions saved potentially with Regrowth. 5. Theoretically I saved 1 APM in that fight from Regrowth, assuming I needed the two Torpors. I would have been at 20 APM without Regrowth + Fungi. Using the data above and assuming I had Fungi + Regrowth on the entire fight: 1. 420 actions over 21 minutes (20 APM) 2. +30 Regen provided 6300 HP (5 Torpors) 3. 4 cannibalizes per Torpor 4. (10 actions from 5x Torpor + 5x GCD) + (40 actions from 20x cannablizes + 20x GCD) = 50 actions saved potentially with Regrowth + Fungi. 5. Theoretically goes down to 17.7 APM Fungi + Regrowth saves roughly 2 APM. That is why I am saying it's not really noticeable for Shaman players. 20 APM really isn't bad to begin with. 18 APM isn't going to feel different over a fight this long. This is especially true since Shaman spells are long casts. You are looking at 5-10 seconds per 2 actions via waiting for spells to finish, so you can rest your hands. The cannibalize portions are going to be the heaviest, but you are still forced to wait 4 seconds per cannibalize, so that is 1 action per 2 seconds per cannibalize. This is why Shamans prefer Vindi BP. Fungi Tunic alone is saving 1 APM, and Vindi BP provides more AC, HP, and Resistances. All of these stats are better for mitigating damage spikes, which are the biggest problems Shamans run into when soloing tough mobs. This is also why I typically don't bother using Regrowth. I don't notice the 1 APM it saves me. A lot of fights are also shorter than this, so you get less benefit from HP Regeneration. This is one of the longest fights I can think of. Quote:
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 08-22-2023 at 12:34 AM..
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That is pretty consistent reasoning that for you ~5% change is not substantial (i.e the 4.3% dps improvement from +20 str).
How substantial improvement would you have wanted it to be to be worthwhile?
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5% in general isn't a large boost in a game like Everquest, due to the numbers being so small. It's usually too small to get you to the next threshold, like getting more kills per hour while XPing. Fungi Tunic is much better on a Troll SK than a Torpor Shaman. Fungi Tunic is providing more than a 50% boost to your HP Regen for the Troll SK. You would have to provide a specific topic for me to see what percentage would get you to the next threshold of whatever we are discussing. It will almost certainly be bigger than 5% though.
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Avatar is certainly going to provide a larger DPS boost than 20 STR via starting stats, if that is what you are referring to. You are getting 100 STR + 100 ATK. The DEX boost is increasing your procs too. If people do have enough data to show that Avatar is a 10% DPS boost, that means the 20 STR via starting stats is only giving you a 2% DPS boost at best. Less since the ATK is also present on Avatar. I don't have this Avatar data, so I am not going to say any of these numbers are accurate.
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It’s a very common generalization. Assuming level 60, on high level raid targets. If it was less than 10% people wouldn’t be so thirsty for Primals. If it was much more than 10% people would scream at shamans for it even more than they do already.
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My best ranger vindi
/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 132s, 175k @1326dps --- A Drakkel Dire Wolf 20k @161dps --- Knapsack 16k @121dps --- Ripqozko 15k @118dps --- Idrinkk 13k @109dps --- Rikyr 12k @92dps --- Trazzle 12k @89dps --- Gatitos 11k @87dps --- Logaluger 11k @85dps --- Jenssen 10k @78dps --- Torstein 10k @75dps The reason folks say 10% is cause of the attack boost. The stats are fluff usually for dps on raiders , the dex and agi are nice but don't really boost raid dps (yes I know procs but lot don't land on raid targets). | ||
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Thanks for the clarity.
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