Wheel of Time (Novemeber)

[Whale biologist]

Starkind said no but I got a strong impression this story is very anti-male

The saidin is tainted and bad and wrong and evil and no male wizards ok?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Whale biologist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Starkind said no but I got a strong impression this story is very anti-male

The saidin is tainted and bad and wrong and evil and no male wizards ok?

The book series is not anti-male. The world setting has a separate power source for male "wizards" and female "wizards". The only reason why male "wizards" are bad is because the men in the past had to use their power to contain what is basically the devil, and in doing so the male half of the power source became corrupted. This is because the prison containing the devil is made of the male power source, so he can basically seep his evil directly into it. If the source would become uncorrupted again, then "male" wizards would be able to use their magic normally.

Since most TV is made by people who lean left, they certainly took the female empowerment farther than it was described in the book (that is probably one of the reasons why the approved the series).

[Rick Sanchez]

WTB a legitimate show on Drizzt Do Urden.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The book series is not anti-male. The world setting has a separate power source for male "wizards" and female "wizards". The only reason why male "wizards" are bad is because the men in the past had to use their power to contain what is basically the devil, and in doing so the male half of the power source became corrupted. This is because the prison containing the devil is made of the male power source, so he can basically seep his evil directly into it. If the source would become uncorrupted again, then "male" wizards would be able to use their magic normally.

Since most TV is made by people who lean left, they certainly took the female empowerment farther than it was described in the book (that is probably one of the reasons why the approved the series).

That's an oversimplification and u know it.

The men where told no don't. Some women went along with them anyway tho. And there is a lot of beef with the dragon specifically for a lot of reasons from everyone.

If someone doesn't use or channel great amounts of the boy power or simply is gentled early its nbd iirc and the real problem is that the tapestry, or timeline itself is trying to free the bigderpybad. Pretty sure gentled men can become warders to fix their emo status.

Anyway to judge the series not in context without having read a 20,000 page manuscript is terrible.

Red lady does the right thing for all the wrong reasons and she has a good reason to be hateful.

Morraine is just doing what she was born to do.

There are lives that trancend single individuals and the present age and the Dragon is the one.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an oversimplification and u know it.

The men where told no don't. Some women went along with them anyway tho. And there is a lot of beef with the dragon specifically for a lot of reasons from everyone.

If someone doesn't use or channel great amounts of the boy power or simply is gentled early its nbd iirc and the real problem is that the tapestry, or timeline itself is trying to free the bigderpybad. Pretty sure gentled men can become warders to fix their emo status.

Anyway to judge the series not in context without having read a 20,000 page manuscript is terrible.

Red lady does the right thing for all the wrong reasons and she has a good reason to be hateful.

Morraine is just doing what she was born to do.

There are lives that trancend single individuals and the present age and the Dragon is the one.

I agree, it is easy to judge the series out of context since the massive page count is a deterring factor to readers.

Yes it is an oversimplification, to avoid spoilers. I read the whole series and I wasn't bothered by the male half of the source being corrupted. I thought it was a cool idea. And don't get me wrong, I am fully against obvious sexism towards men or women, so if I felt Robert Jordan was doing that, I wouldn't have finished the series. Both men and women do a lot of great and terrible things in the series, it didn't feel awfully one sided. It's more one sided in the beginning simply because Rand hasn't cultivated his powers yet.

I know that Robert Jordan's portrayal of men and women rub people the wrong way, and I understand why. But I found it amusing to be honest, and it was a unique and interesting quirk of the series I enjoyed. Not because of sexism, but because of the silliness of it. I didn't feel like Robert Jordan was doing it due to some weird sexism he had. I think he just had an old school way of thinking about the dynamics between men and women.

But as I stated before, I can understand why people think the series is sexist towards men from the TV show. The show creators are probably left leaning, so they took the background/Jordan's take on the dynamic between the sexes and pushed it more towards the female empowerment angle, which I was fully anticipating they would do. The Wheel of Time does have a lot of strong female characters in it, and I believe that is one of the reasons why a TV series on Wheel of Time was greenlit in the first place.

[Gustoo]

He didn't have an old school way of thinking, he had a neckbeard way of thinking.

Yes if anything the series is anti female rather than anti male, robert jordan is a shit author and the books are highly derivative (not original at all) its in the genre of "wannabe lord of the rings, no skill author with nothing to add"

However it is super long and a lot of cool things happen in between the boring stuff. There are whole books that are almost unreadable. I listened to the audiobooks (which disallows skimming) while working in a production facility and I had a face cramp from cringing for like 5 hours straight during the times when it has the ladies of the eyes sedai bickering like a neckbeard would imagine women talk. Totally cringe.

But its overall a fun story and some awesome stuff does happen and I really hope this series can continue I think the TV series can improve on the books in a number of ways.

I went in deciding that I was gunna support it and not nitpick all the differences but was immediatly like "wtf perrin isn't married to a mad girl who is guaranteed to die early on in the story!" he was a kid living with his dad lol

But I still hope it can play out long haul style.

I just know it won't be the "next game of thrones!!!!!111one!!!!" like they hope.


Oh and I bet he gets redemption when it turns out that she was a dark friend because she was blackmailed into killing him in order to save her baby and he actually did self defense when he apparently accidentally killed her.

RIP in peace

[hobart]

I was already an adult with a career when these books came out, so didn't read them.

Ep 1 was terrible. When I first saw the monsters/demons/whatever, I thought they had written a music video for Gwar into the plot.

Too many ugly people. Too many non-Americans.

Boring.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He didn't have an old school way of thinking, he had a neckbeard way of thinking.

Lol that is a decent way of putting it I guess. I wouldn't say neckbeard simply because Robert Jordan was an old man when the modern neckbeard became a thing, so I doubt he was a neckbeard. But I understand what you mean, it seems like he is writing from a perspective where he doesn't know a lot about women. In my mind that is a more old school way of thinking. I believe the deep philosophical/psychological understanding of the opposite sex from yourself is a fairly new phenomenon.

But honestly a lot of authors are like that. J.K. Rowling was certainly in the same situation, where she didn't really know how to write male characters that well. But I think it makes the series more interesting in some ways, as you get a different perspective on the male/female dynamic. There were certainly cringe moments in that series regarding how male characters act when it comes to romance hehe.

[Chortles Snortles]

shit tier fantasy series
hope this helps

[robayon]

I didn't read these books but my even nerdier brother did, and he told me that the Wheel of Time series is an elaborate copy of the Dune novels

Also hope this helps