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Old 04-22-2011, 10:09 PM
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Sorry but that excuse only works if you're talking to a 10 year old. People have already isolated for those variables before and you get the same result. Not as dramatic of a difference as between rich and poor, but still large differences.
People have already isolated for those variables? What? LOL. You're not very bright if you think we've somehow scientifically studied HOW we got blacks in America to how they are now and HOW we keep them in that rut. We're all one race, man. One RACE is not genetically intellectually superior to another.

Go read Guns, Germs and Steel. How you think is comparable to believing there is skill in RNG, to speak in your terms.

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Your ridiculous excuse also doesn't address things like 15-20% higher blood testosterone levels. That's going to cause increased aggression and violence no matter how you want to try and spin it:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1208132241.htm
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neur...b1/csante.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/20/us...maybe-not.html

Keep reading. You'll maybe learn a thing or two about how social status plays a bigger part in aggression than testosterone.

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People have already isolated for those variables? What? LOL.
The IQ differences are already there at age 3 even with parents from the same economic group:

"Currently, the existence of the 15-to-18 point difference (1.1 standard deviations) between Blacks and Whites in the U.S. is not in itself a matter of empirical dispute."

"Further, the Black-White IQ difference shows up before 3 years of age on most standardized test batteries, even after matching on maternal education and other variables. Therefore it is not due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. (The East Asian IQ advantage appears by five years of age.)"

"Basic genetic theory predicts that the IQ of offspring will regress towards the mean IQ of the population group from which the parents come. This has been amply documented for a number of physical traits in humans and in other species."

"Regression to the mean is seen, typically, when individuals with high IQ scores mate. Their children tend to show lower scores than their parents. The converse happens for low IQ parents; they have children with somewhat higher IQs. This is because the parents pass on some, but not all, of their exceptional genes to their offspring. It is analogous to rolling a pair of dice and having them come up two 6’s or two 1’s. The odds are that on the next roll, you will get some value that is not quite as high (or as low)."

"Genetic theory predicts the precise magnitude of the regression effect. Culture-only theory makes no systematic or quantitative predictions. Black children with parents of IQ 115 regress to the Black IQ average of 85, while White children with parents of IQ 115 regress to the White IQ average of 100. Regression to a lower average IQ helps to explain the fact that Black children born to high IQ, wealthy, Black parents have test scores 2 to 4 points lower than do White children born to low IQ, poor White parents."

http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mb55/talks/regmean.htm

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Go read Guns, Germs and Steel.
That book doesn't have a shred of science in it. It starts with the preconceived notion that every black deficiency is caused by white people. It doesn't go into anything concerning genetics or non-elementary evolution. If you want an actual scientific book on why some societies live in mud huts and others invent space shuttles, read "IQ and the Wealth of Nations":

http://www.amazon.com/IQ-Wealth-Nati.../dp/027597510X

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We're all one race, man. One RACE is not genetically intellectually superior to another.
Nothing about natural selection predicts equality. It doesn't require the species to diverge from one another before the differences become huge either.


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Testosterone Does Not Induce Aggression, Study Shows
This is too stupid to even respond to. Your claim has already been proven false by the millions of people on earth using steroids that noticed pretty fucking clearly that it caused them to become more aggressive.
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:04 AM
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I knew it would be negros before I even clicked the thread

There will come a time when this issue can no longer be swept under the rug or downplayed. Even the staunchest of left-wingers must face the reality that the phantoms of "equality" and "multiculturalism" are, at best, naive and destructive, and at worst, tools of guilt and subjugation.
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The IQ differences are already there at age 3 even with parents from the same economic group:

"Currently, the existence of the 15-to-18 point difference (1.1 standard deviations) between Blacks and Whites in the U.S. is not in itself a matter of empirical dispute."

"Further, the Black-White IQ difference shows up before 3 years of age on most standardized test batteries, even after matching on maternal education and other variables. Therefore it is not due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. (The East Asian IQ advantage appears by five years of age.)"

"Basic genetic theory predicts that the IQ of offspring will regress towards the mean IQ of the population group from which the parents come. This has been amply documented for a number of physical traits in humans and in other species."

"Regression to the mean is seen, typically, when individuals with high IQ scores mate. Their children tend to show lower scores than their parents. The converse happens for low IQ parents; they have children with somewhat higher IQs. This is because the parents pass on some, but not all, of their exceptional genes to their offspring. It is analogous to rolling a pair of dice and having them come up two 6’s or two 1’s. The odds are that on the next roll, you will get some value that is not quite as high (or as low)."

"Genetic theory predicts the precise magnitude of the regression effect. Culture-only theory makes no systematic or quantitative predictions. Black children with parents of IQ 115 regress to the Black IQ average of 85, while White children with parents of IQ 115 regress to the White IQ average of 100. Regression to a lower average IQ helps to explain the fact that Black children born to high IQ, wealthy, Black parents have test scores 2 to 4 points lower than do White children born to low IQ, poor White parents."

http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mb55/talks/regmean.htm
First off, it seems like you are incapable of processing information you read. That SAME page you listed (I looked it up) supported what I said about socioeconomic upbringing. Allow me to put it simply for you, since I doubt you'll sit down and actually READ everything you quote from and only pick bits and pieces out to help reaffirm your racist beliefs.

A discrepancy will exist, but it is not because of "race". Intelligence is not like skin color or eye shape. That page you linked even admitted to not accounting for goddamn external factors. How is that scientific?

Also, why even bother with the link to regression to the mean? Trying to put up the facade that you're linking something that's been actually scientifically scrutinized and cross examined?

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That book doesn't have a shred of science in it. It starts with the preconceived notion that every black deficiency is caused by white people. It doesn't go into anything concerning genetics or non-elementary evolution. If you want an actual scientific book on why some societies live in mud huts and others invent space shuttles, read "IQ and the Wealth of Nations":

http://www.amazon.com/IQ-Wealth-Nati.../dp/027597510X
1.) Spoken like someone who hasn't even bothered looking at what the book actually says.
2.) I lol'd hard when I saw what book you linked. Hard.

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Nothing about natural selection predicts equality. It doesn't require the species to diverge from one another before the differences become huge either.
Oh boy, high school biology. You do realize that what you just wrote has nothing to do with anything, right?

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This is too stupid to even respond to. Your claim has already been proven false by the millions of people on earth using steroids that noticed pretty fucking clearly that it caused them to become more aggressive.
It's already become clear to everybody that you don't value scientific research one bit. You DO know what anabolic steroids are and how they're produced, right? And the difference between that and naturally made testosterone? Or the fact that your beloved "correlation not causation" applies to our knowledge of steroid abuse?
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That SAME page you listed (I looked it up) [I]supported what I said about socioeconomic upbringing
Nope, sorry, the IQ differences appear even at age 3 with parents of equal wealth which is the exact opposite of what you claim.

Most tests done on American blacks are slightly skewed as well because I think the average African American is 15-19% white in ancestry. If you want real data on this subject, you have to fetch one off the plains of Africa and study it.

Once you factor in all the violent crimes, poor intelligence scores, and billions of other issues, there's obviously something more than the effects of low income at play. It's also funny how people say the US education system must be terrible because we score lower than other nations. Once you break up the scores by demographics, they all fall into place to match their country of origin.

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Statistics mean little without context. Sorry; you are wrong.
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Statistics mean little without context. Sorry; you are wrong.
Context was already presented, you just ignored it. They score lower even at age 3 when parents have the same economic background.
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Context was already presented, you just ignored it. They score lower even at age 3 when parents have the same economic background.
I'll only do this once, since I try not to debate idiots.

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"Further, the Black-White IQ difference shows up before 3 years of age on most standardized test batteries, even after matching on maternal education and other variables. Therefore it is not due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect. (The East Asian IQ advantage appears by five years of age.)

The question still remaining: is the cause of the group differences in average IQ purely social, economic, and cultural? Or are genetic factors also involved?

To attempt a definitive answer, I teamed up with Arthur Jensen and together we examined ten categories of scientific evidence from around the world published since Jensen’s path-breaking 1969 paper.

We concluded that the genetic component in Black-White differences is even higher than we had initially thought—likely 80%. This conforms to the "default hypothesis" laid out in Jensen’s 1998 book, The g Factor—that, by adulthood, genetic and cultural factors carry the exact same weight in causing the mean Black-White IQ difference as they do in causing differences between individuals in IQ—about 80% genetic/20% environmental.

For each set of data we contrasted a hereditarian model (50% genetic/50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic/100% cultural). Our 50/50 model did not exclude environmental factors, but it did require they be concretely demonstrable. Although the evidence we reviewed provided strong support for the genetic component of the model, we were unable to demonstrate any environmental element. "


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