Necro lull -- this can't be classic.

[commongood]

Played a chanter on live from Kunark till OoW. Currently play a 58 chanter grinding towards 60 and a 60 necro.

I don't recall charisma being a penalty on live for enchanters. I also don't recognize your ratio of failures on your necromancer on p99 from my own necromancer. But yes, I would agree that my 255 enchanter get's fewer crit resists.

All anecdotal I know. I'm not sure what that link to Daybreak Forums accomplishes as I couldn't be bothered sifting through everything. Is the quote

"Yes it is. It varies on a number of spells to its actual usefulness but it does have a use. There are different levels of charisma for different classes. The system does take into account that an Enchanter should have a higher charisma than say a Necromancer. It�s unfair to expect masters of the undead to be entirely charismatic. "

from a developer?

Like others have already chimed in with: if you can find some evidence then you should post it under bug reports and if the p99 team finds that evidence backs up that it's a classic feature then you will have succeeded.

Better chance than coming to the caster subforum and being confrontational and unpleasent to people trying to give you feedback on your questions.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Played a chanter on live from Kunark till OoW. Currently play a 58 chanter grinding towards 60 and a 60 necro.

I don't recall charisma being a penalty on live for enchanters. I also don't recognize your ratio of failures on your necromancer on p99 from my own necromancer. But yes, I would agree that my 255 enchanter get's fewer crit resists.

All anecdotal I know. I'm not sure what that link to Daybreak Forums accomplishes as I couldn't be bothered sifting through everything. Is the quote from a developer?

Like others have already chimed in with: if you can find some evidence then you should post it under bug reports and if the p99 team finds that evidence backs up that it's a classic feature then you will have succeeded.

Better chance than coming to the caster subforum and being confrontational and unpleasent to people trying to give you feedback on your questions.

That quote is from geoffrey zatkin, not only a dev but the main guy in charge of the spell system in the classic era.

[commongood]

Thanks. So according to that quote (the link is broken btw - the link posted by the quote on the dbg forums) "The system does take into account that an Enchanter should have a higher charisma than say a Necromancer". That's pretty vague. It doesn't really specify the reason why an enchanter should have a higher charisma. Is it because it will benefit the enchanter more? Or is it because he will otherwise be punished?

I'm not entirely convinced either way but it would be interesting to learn more.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks. So according to that quote (the link is broken btw - the link posted by the quote on the dbg forums) "The system does take into account that an Enchanter should have a higher charisma than say a Necromancer". That's pretty vague. It doesn't really specify the reason why an enchanter should have a higher charisma. Is it because it will benefit the enchanter more? Or is it because he will otherwise be punished?

I'm not entirely convinced either way but it would be interesting to learn more.

Well it suggests that an enchanter had a relative charisma penalty versus a necromancer. Alternatively that necros had a charisma bonus relative to enchanters.

[commongood]

It may suggest that but it's unclear. When he says "it means that a chanter should have a higher charisma than a necromancer" that could mean a number of things.

It could mean, as you suggest, that the chanter would have a lower chance of succesfully rolling on charm/lull/mez checks if the chanter had the same charisma as a necromancer.

But it could also mean that a chanter has much more to gain from having high charisma. As in the enchanter will benefit more from having a high charisma and therefore should have a higher charisma.

I'm not saying it's one way or the other, but just that it's a little vague to draw any hard conclusions based on that quote.

[DMN]

Maybe if your english or logic skills are extremely poor. You seemed to have missed the part where he says it would be wrong for the system to expect "masters of the undead" necros to have as much charisma as other classes.

[commongood]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe if your english or logic skills are extremely poor. You seemed to have missed the part where he says it would be wrong for the system to expect "masters of the undead" necros to have as much charisma as other classes.

I don't think my logic skills (I assume you are refering to my logistical sense?) or my level of understanding of English need to be brought into question.

I also think it's a bit contrived to assume that this throw-away comment about how necros shouldn't be expected to have high charisma directly translates into a confirmation of your theory.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by commongood [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think my logic skills (I assume you are refering to my logistical sense?) or my level of understanding of English need to be brought into question.

I also think it's a bit contrived to assume that this throw-away comment about how necros shouldn't be expected to have high charisma directly translates into a confirmation of your theory.

The whole point of the second sentence was to elucidate readers on the former. They didn't expect necros to have high charisma, but they did enchanters. GZ is the most important figure in EQ history for classic time period spell issues. Nothing he says should be flippantly considered a throwaway line.

[Ranlron swiftsong]

Question does cha have any effect on the charm spell for druid? Just curious now if cha has any importance to druids.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mob level, MR, your level all matter.

As an enc with 255 MR, I had something like 50 consecutive resists trying to calm a mob yesterday. Sometimes it happens. We need more info to determine if there is a bug.

Chanter and necro lull's don't work the same here. Same mob, level 60, same charisma, and a necro will get a lot more crit fails than a chanter.