+Guardian Koz

[Mockba1980]

Originally Posted by Zemus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, not my petition at all. Picture this, here i am minding my own business when I get wind of it.


[Fri Jan 05 15:00:09 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'hey bruh'
[Fri Jan 05 15:00:19 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'hullo'
[Fri Jan 05 15:00:22 2018] [59 Conjurer] Fastestmage (Gnome) <Venerate> ZONE: templeveeshan
[Fri Jan 05 15:01:20 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'who is this?'
[Fri Jan 05 15:01:39 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'but like do I know you?'
[Fri Jan 05 15:01:43 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'no'
[Fri Jan 05 15:01:51 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'im asking the question cause your in AW'
[Fri Jan 05 15:01:59 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'and you would probably know'
[Fri Jan 05 15:02:04 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'my understanding is AM was not supposed to do guardian kozz. '
[Fri Jan 05 15:02:56 2018] Fastestmage tells you, '/tell Enigmo no need to offer a peace offering now its to late the forum petition is entered guess its 60 days of time off'
[Fri Jan 05 15:03:08 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'my understanding is sirken specifically said "NO!" when asked if A/A could do guardian kozz during suspension. but I think its a dumb rule, however thats the way it is '
[Fri Jan 05 15:03:23 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'lol wow'
[Fri Jan 05 15:03:25 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'MT?'
: [Fri Jan 05 15:03:08 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'my understanding is sirken specifically said "NO!" when asked if A/A could do guardian kozz during suspension. but I think its a dumb rule, however thats the way it is '
[Fri Jan 05 15:03:58 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'err yeah sorry'
[Fri Jan 05 15:04:08 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'AM trying to extended olive branches to us'
[Fri Jan 05 15:04:39 2018] You told Fastestmage, 'you guys gonna petition?'
[Fri Jan 05 15:04:56 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'going to? no its already done '
[Fri Jan 05 15:05:16 2018] Fastestmage tells you, 'and GM views are at 11 already in 5mins lol'

So i'm like oh shit, someone went and fucked up. Well, a couple hours later I hear that it got closed because Guardian K isn't a raid mob.. which I actually agree with.

Anyway, my point is it would be nice to know this as I would have liked to do the quest myself. Instead we've been getting lambasted for zoning into PoM on death or ToV to avoid a death loop. Witchhunt is real.

So instead of being hidden behind the petition form, I'd just like to put it out there that Koz does appear to be allowed.

But you directly posted here without check if G.K was a raid mob or not.
And now you're being laughed by everyone here (including Staff). You should just hide behind your pillow.

[Breaken]

Originally Posted by Mockba1980 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But you directly posted here without check if G.K was a raid mob or not.
And now you're being laughed by everyone here (including Staff). You should just hide behind your pillow.

Have you read the rule? Can you point out where it says raid mobs are off limits? I am perfectly fine with Guardian being added to the list of acceptable mobs to kill that has an FTE, because it should have been there to begin with, but it isn't there. It says:

Anything that has an FTE message and/or is considered more than one group content is a no (except Lodizal, and Ragefire), no planes (except Plane of Sky and only on your rotation day), no VP, no ToV, no ST. Ringwar is ok on your rotation turn only.

Anything that has an FTE message and is considered more than one group content.
Anything that has an FTE message.
Anything that is considered more than one group content.

These three statements are a no. Technically the first statement is redundant, because if the mob has an FTE message, whether it is considered more than one group content or not, it is covered in statement two.

I see nothing that says, Any raid mob that has an FTE message.

[Teako]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you read the rule? Can you point out where it says raid mobs are off limits? I am perfectly fine with Guardian being added to the list of acceptable mobs to kill that has an FTE, because it should have been there to begin with, but it isn't there. It says:



Anything that has an FTE message and is considered more than one group content.
Anything that has an FTE message.
Anything that is considered more than one group content.

These three statements are a no. Technically the first statement is redundant, because if the mob has an FTE message, whether it is considered more than one group content or not, it is covered in statement two.

I see nothing that says, Any raid mob that has an FTE message.

This is some HARDCORE top-tier spin machine. This is totally against the spirit of the ruling, and desperately trying to cling to the letter of the ruling... which even there it fails.

Q1: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash. Most epic NPC's are not considered "raid" mobs. The exception to this is Ragefire, which is considered a 'high tier' mob (like the Fear golems). For all other intents and purposes, Ragefire is treated like an 'high tier' NPC (ie: camp/poopsock rules do not apply). Please keep in mind that because of the need to clear to a raid target, trains enacted on players while on the way to Ragefire can be considered raid violations and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, regardless of whether the victims are part of a raid. It is in your best interest to be very careful when racing for a target, especially when it involves training away mobs.

It very clearly says "a group of players looking to engage a raid target" (Guardian Kozzalym is not a raid target, nor is it in a raid zone).

It very clearly says,

Anything that has an FTE message and/or is considered more than one group content is a no (except Lodizal, and Ragefire), no planes (except Plane of Sky and only on your rotation day), no VP, no ToV, no ST. Ringwar is ok on your rotation turn only.

"Anything with an FTE message and/or is considered more than one group content." - Two players are not more than one group, AM never triggered an FTE, and Guardian K is not a target that has now or ever required a raid to kill. In fact, he's easily soloable by several classes.

I'm sure you're frantically running to try and talk about how "unrealistic and unfair" this is.. but, let me harken you back to one key rule:

Note on Rule Lawyering – I think the spirit of everything we are trying to accomplish here is pretty clear. Anyone that tries to twist the words to support and/or justify nefarious actions will not be rewarded. There will be no “technically this could be that”, or “well it doesn’t exactly say this word for word”. From this point forward we will be actively enforcing the spirit of these rules more so than the exact letter of the law. Don't expect to skirt passed a raid suspension on a loop hole or technicality.

Clearly no raid mob was killed, no raid infraction occurred, and AM did nothing wrong.

Can you say the same about Awakened members who are de-tagging alts who were guilded when the suspension was handed out in order to tag Statue/AoW for faction hits? Cause that's a no no. (:

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is some HARDCORE top-tier spin machine. This is totally against the spirit of the ruling, and desperately trying to cling to the letter of the ruling... which even there it fails.




It very clearly says "a group of players looking to engage a raid target" (Guardian Kozzalym is not a raid target, nor is it in a raid zone).

It very clearly says,




"Anything with an FTE message and/or is considered more than one group content." - Two players are not more than one group, AM never triggered an FTE, and Guardian K is not a target that has now or ever required a raid to kill. In fact, he's easily soloable by several classes.

I'm sure you're frantically running to try and talk about how "unrealistic and unfair" this is.. but, let me harken you back to one key rule:



Clearly no raid mob was killed, no raid infraction occurred, and AM did nothing wrong.

Can you say the same about Awakened members who are de-tagging alts who were guilded when the suspension was handed out in order to tag Statue/AoW for faction hits? Cause that's a no no. (:

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[Skew]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you read the rule? Can you point out where it says raid mobs are off limits? I am perfectly fine with Guardian being added to the list of acceptable mobs to kill that has an FTE, because it should have been there to begin with, but it isn't there. It says:



Anything that has an FTE message and is considered more than one group content.
Anything that has an FTE message.
Anything that is considered more than one group content.

These three statements are a no. Technically the first statement is redundant, because if the mob has an FTE message, whether it is considered more than one group content or not, it is covered in statement two.

I see nothing that says, Any raid mob that has an FTE message.

Sit down and shut up you man child. You give this server bum aids daily.
Regards.

[Phatez]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you read the rule? Can you point out where it says raid mobs are off limits? I am perfectly fine with Guardian being added to the list of acceptable mobs to kill that has an FTE, because it should have been there to begin with, but it isn't there. It says:



Anything that has an FTE message and is considered more than one group content.
Anything that has an FTE message.
Anything that is considered more than one group content.

These three statements are a no. Technically the first statement is redundant, because if the mob has an FTE message, whether it is considered more than one group content or not, it is covered in statement two.

I see nothing that says, Any raid mob that has an FTE message.

Pretty sure 23/24 officers of AM/AW are cringing at this, Breaken. It is this mentality which is why we are both on vacation right now. Grow up. Play the game and act like an adult.

[scaura]

was my 19th fte really ...

First Strength of the Elements: Shigouragu <Infernus>

from the intelligent of a wise man!

[scaura]

love this drama , fastestmage = acon and he send me tell knowing im doing for a friend send 10 venerate in zone to contest and lost it , try to convince me into giving him this piece turns up a petition against a friend that was in zone that helps me slows it in zone , jesus . what a nice tards ..

loved pixels this way !!!!



Grats liia the templar for fusible ore for 1 pp!!!!

[Mockba1980]

Originally Posted by scaura [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

love this drama , fastestmage = acon and he send me tell knowing im doing for a friend send 10 venerate in zone to contest and lost it , try to convince me into giving him this piece turns up a petition against a friend that was in zone that helps me slows it in zone , jesus . what a nice tards ..

loved pixels this way !!!!



Grats liia the templar for fusible ore for 1 pp!!!!

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Thanks to my Venerate's bro !

[jpetrick]

Have any of you ever thought that maybe both of our guilds are suspended because this is the approach you take to the game?