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No - toxigen is a real life self admitted chest thumping racist and he's told us he is proud of it. Though I got a chuckle out of your silly meme.
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Personally I have never seen a player take over a Chardok camp on blue from someone who trained out, /q'ed, or gated and then immediately came back. Players on P99 tend to be respectful of players who are camping something.
If you have played in the revamped Chardok, you will have seen these tactics employed on many named mob camps in this zone. I myself have gated out or /q'ed faction hits plenty of times. You can see an example of this here: https://youtu.be/qS3uoIHTu_c?t=251 , where I /q the faction hit from the roamer in graveyard. My Grave Master Zo`lun camp was not taken. It doesn't really matter how you interpret the P99 camp rules in this situation. Unless you are the type of player who enjoys lawyerquesting camps away from other players, you do not typically see this behavior in Chardok. If people in this thread want to become Chardok activists and start taking camps from people who trained out, /q'ed, or gated to prove you can do it via the PnP, go ham I guess. You won't be making friends this way, regardless of the outcome.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 07-27-2023 at 10:37 AM..
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This thread is about analyzing camp rules as they apply to Chardok. I was originally worried about this same problem when beginning Chardok, and quickly came to understand that the code of conduct in this zone works well.
There are four parts to the relevant rule in question: Quote:
Therefore: You do not need to remain at the spawn point of a camp in order to claim it. Killing a PH, gating out, and immediately running back down (arriving long before the respawn) is definitely in line with keeping the placeholders clear and not leaving. This meets both the letter of part (3) and the "in general" intent of part (2). This is also the code of conduct - if you see a PH down, you assume that someone is camping the spawn. If someone is camping multiple, you can talk to the owner and take over one (letting them choose first). I too was worried about gate and /q tactics initially, to the point of avoiding Chardok for awhile as I was concerned about losing camps and wasting my time. Turns out that the Chardok people are actually very nice. If you respect everyone else as described above, and they respect you, the arrangement works out well for everyone. | |||
Last edited by Ruien; 07-27-2023 at 11:38 AM..
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Chardok has operated under the unofficial player agreement that people can gate, train out, or /q mobs for years. It was the same way in 2020, when I made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS3uoIHTu_c Unofficial player agreements do arise in certain zones. It works like this: 1. A clever player finds a method of clearing a specific mob in a more efficient manner. 2. Another player learns this method. 3. Both players who employ this method become respectful of the method, and apply that respect to new players employing the same method. 4. Rinse/repeat steps 2 and 3 as new players come into the zone and learn the method. I am not here to argue whether or not the PnP protects these kinds of unofficial player agreements. I am simply pointing out this phenomenon does occur organically in P99, and people tend to go with the flow. While you may not be reprimanded by a GM for moving into another person's camp when they simply gated the faction hit, you will be breaking the unofficial player agreement. If you feel very strongly about how Chardok operates, you can attempt to change this unofficial player agreement. You won't be making friends this way, but you can try.
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How long do you give the Enchanter to crawl back down from BW?
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There's always the possibility that someone simply logs in right when a player gates, so they ask for a CC and don't get a response. That kind of scenario may result in a camp dispute. But again, I haven't seen players run into this issue on Blue. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but I have spent quite a few hours in Chardok. This unofficial player agreement has been followed for years now, and OP should know about it. I don't have an issue with this unofficial player agreement, and most players seem to follow it on Blue.
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Last edited by DeathsSilkyMist; 07-27-2023 at 02:06 PM..
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If I log in and see a PH up, I'll do an ooc CC and wait 2 min while standing right in front of the spawn. I'll kill it (claiming the camp) at that point. Similarly, when finished with a camp, people generally leave the PH up. This signals to everyone else that the camp is now open. It's also somewhat common to see in ooc "camp X open" if someone leaves after holding it for a long time. This approach allows for camping out buffs, provides buffer time for client crashes, etc. As long as you are there on time for the PHs, people will respect your camp. | |||
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