Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Autotune]

your guild leader

i'm saying yours as well as mine, however, in the end it is up to the clerics willing to sock the lair and compete clicking air.


If clerics don't agree to sock the lair for air, the odds of completing a cleric epic goes to????


Again, you are looking at this as a guild vs guild matter

I am looking at this for clerics.



And to the majority vote part, it was supposed to be in, i've been up for nearly 30hrs straight now. It was the reason i wanted relapsee to post this instead of me, as well as the fact he is a cleric.

[Velion]

Without guilds as a whole signing off on this there is no accountability. The whole reason alot of us in VD are skeptical of this whole thing is because it's hard not to view this as you taking advantage of the Ninik situation as another way to try to cockblock VD.

Your guild has been the one screwing over any hope for a rotation and now you have been trying to manipulate the rest of the server into trying to make VD the bad guys when we haven't gotten a single cleric epic until yesterday because we allowed you and IB to have your first 5 agreement uncontested.

Let me make this perfectly clear. Without your guild leadership coming out and endorsing this rotation, we just plain don't trust you.

[Xeliso]

I am willing to speak for TMO and a server wide rotation is a good idea and I support the rotation. You all should take into consideration with a fixed Ragefire we will be getting cleric epics finished left and right.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without guilds as a whole signing off on this there is no accountability. The whole reason alot of us in VD are skeptical of this whole thing is because it's hard not to view this as you taking advantage of the Ninik situation as another way to try to cockblock VD.

Your guild has been the one screwing over any hope for a rotation and now you have been trying to manipulate the rest of the server into trying to make VD the bad guys when we haven't gotten a single cleric epic until yesterday because we allowed you and IB to have your first 5 agreement uncontested.

Let me make this perfectly clear. Without your guild leadership coming out and endorsing this rotation, we just plain don't trust you.

That's all up to you guys, rules were changed and i can no longer change anything or do anything.

Basically, either rotate or don't. Now if my guild chooses to not stick to it there is nothing i can do. Congrats.

I am not a cleric nor am I an officer/guild leader.

It's of little importance to me now. Just remember that it's clerics who have to do the quest, not the guild. Refusing to accept a rotation based on another guild's lack of response is silly.

Either you want a rotation or you don't.

[Gmal]

Originally Posted by Velion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without guilds as a whole signing off on this there is no accountability. The whole reason alot of us in VD are skeptical of this whole thing is because it's hard not to view this as you taking advantage of the Ninik situation as another way to try to cockblock VD.

Your guild has been the one screwing over any hope for a rotation and now you have been trying to manipulate the rest of the server into trying to make VD the bad guys when we haven't gotten a single cleric epic until yesterday because we allowed you and IB to have your first 5 agreement uncontested.

Let me make this perfectly clear. Without your guild leadership coming out and endorsing this rotation, we just plain don't trust you.

So not to derail this or anything. Velion I am not sure who you are in game, but I consider myself pretty damn good dude both in and out of the game. Im guilded with stealin and I can tell you that even though he maybe a troll on the board, the guys heart is completely in the right place on pretty much all matters. So even though this may not mean a damn thing to you. I can tell you that there isnt to much not to trust with Stealin. And I would be the first one to tell you as would TMO leadership if he didnt have the right intentions with his efforts here.
Take it for whatever is worth to you.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's all up to you guys, rules were changed and i can no longer change anything or do anything.

Basically, either rotate or don't. Now if my guild chooses to not stick to it there is nothing i can do. Congrats.

I am not a cleric nor am I an officer/guild leader.

It's of little importance to me now. Just remember that it's clerics who have to do the quest, not the guild. Refusing to accept a rotation based on another guild's lack of response is silly.

Either you want a rotation or you don't.

Its kinda like doing business with a communist country..


they may let you develop a business and make some profits like agreed upon


or they may just take your shit and nationalize it.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either you want a rotation or you don't.

We want a rotation. Every vd member respected the rotation when we weren't even on it with the belief that we would eventually be worked into the rotation. Then the rotation was done/suspended and zeelot blocked the rotation renegotiation (see colds quotes). Then you stated that you will not respect any rotation that does not begin with divinity (ninik), see quote below.

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i don't care what tag you wear, mine or otherwise, until ninik gets her epic, i'm going to personally make it as impossible as hell for anyone to do the turnin.

You've all been warned.

So what is it, do you want a rotation or not? You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. VD has shown their respect for the rotation through our actions in game. Can you say the same?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its kinda like doing business with a communist country..


they may let you develop a business and make some profits like agreed upon


or they may just take your shit and nationalize it.

yeah.

Except VD had nothing to lose and only respect to be gained.

Like I said, I am sure TMO clerics would be happy to not have to worry about clicking air 30-90hrs a week.

The final part of this rotation was going to be me pushing for Amelinda to make it server official and have it warrant suspensions for trying to break it intentionally. Seeing how new rules pop up quite frequently now, I'd imagine it wouldn't be that hard to enforce if guilds agreed to be bound by it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We want a rotation. Every vd member respected the rotation when we weren't even on it with the belief that we would eventually be worked into the rotation. Then the rotation was done/suspended and zeelot blocked the rotation renegotiation (see colds quotes). Then you stated that you will not respect any rotation that does not begin with divinity (ninik), see quote below.



So what is it, do you want a rotation or not? You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. VD has shown their respect for the rotation through our actions in game. Can you say the same?

you quote that yea. notice how i put div first? what guild is ninik in?

I planned to make it so NO guild could complete anymore epics until they stopped being greedy bastards. (this includes my guild)

Keep posting about zeelot and our guild leader, as i said before i matters little if our clerics aren't willing to click air for hours on end.

[Metallikus]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seeing how new rules pop up quite frequently now

You keep saying new rules. You must be mad bro. Did someone finally tell you about the non-griefing rule?

Aside from that follow-up, I thought you had a good set up for a base of rotation that you and relapsee came up with. As for the guilds not signing on for the exact wording, I think they can use that in their meeting that Coldblooded and Dumesh alluded to earlier that they are having tonight to hash out a rotation agreement that everyone can write off on.

I also think its kind of ridiculous of Divinity to take the stance of we deserve an equal part in the rotation, but only if we can kill mobs during a certain part fo the day. You have been thrown a huge bone by being considered and you want to alter the agreement to better suit your personal play times?