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A mage in a fast paced high dps will put out 100-120 dps. With a good mana pool and some downtime between spawns you can keep it at the higher threshold by nuking more. And in spending that extra mana it gives you the time to med back to full each cycle it is fully sustainable.
DSM posted some videos of him soloing isolated mobs. He estimates 55dps which seems accurate for the single fights he did and what a shaman could do but did not actually ever join a fast moving high dps group to prove he could pull it off when competing with the rest of the group sustainably. How much would be time lost with canni and torpor not nuking? How much would that actually lower shaman dps? We don’t know because he has thus far refused to do it. If his mana pool is deep enough he didn’t have to canni and heal back up then sure its sustainable. But if it IS thusly sustainable … it just widens the gap. If you didn’t need to tap into shaman mana recovery you’re just playing a class that nukes for less with longer cast times and less mana efficiency. You are effectively a washed out crappier than the mage paired with a terribly low dps pet compared to the buzz saw that is the mage pet. No matter how you slice it … it is just a failure. Shamans are not a group DPS class. The group doesn’t need your utility. This is not rocket surgery.
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You keep ignoring the higher DPS in situations where you are not chain pulling easy mobs and not allowing the Shaman to root/rot said easy mobs. The 55 DPS number is literally the most constrained DPS position you can be in. It is basically the equivalent of saying Mage's cannot use their pets when doing DPS. Then you declare that Mage's don't have good DPS. It is just nonsense. A Shaman can do 150 DPS when root/rotting 4 mobs. You still haven't proven how variability in groups will affect Shamans differently than Mages, or how DPS will change under the assumption your group isn't actively hurting your DPS. In a fast moving group, both classes won't be able to med as much (but Shamans can Torpor). In a fast moving group, both classes have less opportunity to cast damage spells if kill speed is fast, etc. You need to provide evidence that the variability in the group is affecting the Shaman more so than the Mage. Otherwise if a group is doing 20% less DPS for whatever reason, that affects both the Mage and Shaman equally. So it is irrelevant.
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Beyond that you haven’t actually proven it. Assuming each ench pet is about 120 dps and the mage and pet are another 120 that’s 360dps … 22.22 second fight. Sub in the shaman with your 55 and it’s 27.11 seconds. So more like 5 seconds which x27 mobs is adds close to another half minute of down time on top of the above. What about unlimited mobs? The shaman group could kill 132 per hour. The mage group would look at 162 mobs an hour under unrealistic concrete math circumstances. But I will emphasize again you have only shown us what you can do in isolated solo videos. 55dps is your apex … best case scenario. I bet the numbers would be very different if you actually joined a fast paced, high dps group and tried to do it fight after fight after fight. Especially with your fairly crappy nuke having such a long cast time … oh and the need to spend so much time standing up TO cast it (not meditating) which will likely have your time drawn and pulled away fairly substantially to canni and torpor. This is why I gave up on you DSM. You never actually tried. You did something completely different than what the community asked you to do and tried to fill the gap with napkin math. If you had spent literally 0.01% of the time you have posting in this thread actually DOING IT IN A GROUP, we would have a mountain of data to play with to draw actual comparisons with. But you didn’t. And you won’t. Which is why I offer you more GiFs: [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] No more napkin math. Trollollolling trolling trollin’ along! Tally ho!
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5 seconds isn't going to help more than 4 seconds. Most groups do not have unlimited mobs. When you do, the Shaman can root/rot for 120 DPS with just 3 mobs. So you can close the DPS gap if you care about the 4-5 seconds in this specific scenario. In a scenario where you are only killing a few tough mobs per hour, the DPS gap also shrinks due to a Shaman's DoTs, and the Shaman's utility will help the group more than a bit of DPS. You certainly aren't getting any more kills per hour here.
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