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[Archythagoras]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silly camping rules lol. Ok how about if a group of four is camping a 4x spawn. A single player comes along, then another, then another. Now three players have a spawn point each, and the original four have just one.

Even the ancient Greek philosophers of the times of old could not solve such a conundrum.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Silly camping rules lol. Ok how about if a group of four is camping a 4x spawn. A single player comes along, then another, then another. Now three players have a spawn point each, and the original four have just one.

Exactly. Surely that isn't fair. If it were, the players in the group would separate into 4 non-grouped players, each killing 1 spawn. Then, they might as well form a group...

[Reecon]

its simple, u gotta be at the spawn to claim it and remain there, if you are pulling it to another spot to kill it for the group then u arent camping it, by your logic you could technically hold more then 1 spawn as a person as well if u just pulled your mob to another spawn spot and killed it there til the next one popped. To hold a outdoor spawn camp you gotta remain at said spawn.

[Amendale]

So here is one from Qeynos Hills: mage is camping putrid skeleton spawn point, parks the pet, and leaves vicinity (assuming to sell loot). Does his pet hold the camp?

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Amendale [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So here is one from Qeynos Hills: mage is camping putrid skeleton spawn point, parks the pet, and leaves vicinity (assuming to sell loot). Does his pet hold the camp?

An honorable player would not claim a spawn he was not within 550 distance units of, because once you're off the experience leash, then you're just farming. Anyway, the rules say 'you' must hold the spawn and I think the GMs would agree that pet doesn't equal you.

[Wwen42]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An honorable player would not claim a spawn he was not within 550 distance units of, because once you're off the experience leash, then you're just farming. Anyway, the rules say 'you' must hold the spawn and I think the GMs would agree that pet doesn't equal you.

In this case the pet owner isn't there to see you kill the skelington any. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules

This!

The staff is in no way constrained by their past rulings ... but they're also huge on keeping us players in the dark about how the rules actually work. Essentially I think they'd rather we all live in fear, not knowing exactly what will get us in trouble and thus (in theory) making us all act on our best behavior ... than start spelling things out and then getting "rules lawyered" when they try to enforce good behavior.

Even just making that camp rules page was a bit of a nightmare, as I had to go digging through every quote a GM had ever said in the forums, just to find the few ones where they sort-of-kind-of made an explicit ruling (not even on purpose, but just in the process of talking about the rules in a post).

So when the Play Nice Policies aren't clear about something, there's not much else we can do except check and see if any relevant rulings exist on:

Originally Posted by NegaStoat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules

EDIT: In defense of the staff, they've actually greatly improved things in this regard over time. If you check Google Cache or the Wayback Machine and compare old versions of the Play Nice Policies, you'll see the new ones are MUCH clearer and more explicit (eg. much of the current "camp rules" in that document were added not too long ago by GM Llandris). So while they still have a general "keep the players ignorant" policy, they have heard how frustrating that is for us, and have improved the explicit rules as a result.

As for:

Originally Posted by Amendale [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So here is one from Qeynos Hills: mage is camping putrid skeleton spawn point, parks the pet, and leaves vicinity (assuming to sell loot). Does his pet hold the camp?

The pet has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Have a pet, don't have a pet, leave it somewhere or don't, it won't in any way affect the Camp Rules.

What does affect them boils down to: did the Mage kill the mob the last time it spawned? If so it's his as long as he engages the next spawn in a reasonable amount of time, and doesn't die or leave the zone ... but if he doesn't engage it in a reasonable amount of time (and you want to be very careful about "reasonable", because if you guess wrong compared to the GM's definition, you'll be the one getting suspended), or if there is no one around in the first place (and again you want to make sure of this if you have any doubt), the mob goes to whoever engages it first.

And one important detail: when I say "it's his", I mean that AND any other spawns the guy killed previously: he can hold as many camps as he wants! ... right up until someone else shows up and says "hey I want one of those camps", at which point he has to pick one, let the other guy pick one, and then they FTE the rest.

But crucially, even if he's doing multiple spawns, you can't just show up and take one, because what if he wanted to keep the one you were going to take? You are ALWAYS better off if you just take a moment to talk to your fellow player first.

[Benanov]

I think "it depends" - Honorable players may allow the presence of a pet whose owner they know (as in, they walked by the camp before and found it taken) to mark the "I'm still here, just went to sell" case.

If the owner isn't back in a reasonable amount of time I might send them a tell. If no response... greyer area.

I might consider the camp mine depending on the length of spawns. If the owner's AFK for half an hour and the spawn's 6 minutes...that's pretty clearly "not camped anymore"

[Gustoo]

Blue problems, rough life 2019

Take that shit to trial

https://youtu.be/sIRmMGrWvqM

[Wwen42]

You have to record? Screen shots of text aren't enough? Aren't there logs of the chats?