To find ze zolution, ve mus virst identify ze proplem.

[Gustoo]

Your way off bud. Tons of pros. Only disadvantage is to people that only feel valid if they are always max geared. You need to strategize and yes a bad lag spike can lose or gain you fat loot. It is intense and scary and risky and it is a lot of fun. At present PvP is only an inconvenience for a lot of people and is definitely only an inconvenience for lowbies which is the main population that washes out. Item loot is an incentive to PvP.

Only maxed out afk level 60s really have a lot to lose..especially in kunark era where a lot of the best stuff is still droppable. In velious level 60s complain a little less because a full no drop set is pretty solid.

Its also good for server economy. Droppables are worth a lot less and it makes things flow a little better. Its just better.

It also adds a reasons to get no drop items that no one cared about previously. It just makes the game a different experience rather than basically a blue server where exp grinds get interrupted occasionally.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe because there are no pros with item loot? i dont camp a fbss for hours or spend a plathora of dkp for a haste cloak just to lose it in one unlucky lagspike.

u think the current red situation scares people to play here? item loot would just scare them 100times more.

Theres no point in discussing this with you, im sure there will be hordes of griefers sitting in EC waiting for that lvl8 orc event to start so they could stop newbies from getting that melee chest no drop. Im sure there wouldnt be other players like me to try to stop the griefers from doing that if they tried. Im sure it wouldnt create one hell of a fun 2 hours of PVPing. Im sure item loot wouldnt create an economy for other items than end game ones. Im sure we wouldnt see Gfay become a trading town again, something Red99ers never got to experience. Im sure Gfay wouldnt blossom as a great new starting town where newbies can sell stacks of batwings and bonechips for starting coin like i did on Rallos.

But hey u keep worrying about that DKP and that PVE farm, im sure thats what all the new potential players will have on their minds before they roll here, not "am I having fun?".

The game would just become like eve online. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose. So youd wear your best stuff when rolling with a crew 10 strong, and wear shit u care less about, or decked out in no drop gear when soloing.

[Gustoo]

Regarding install..

If someone was a bad person they might put a torrent somewhere publically with complete install package and wineq pre configured and pre patched..

Yeah that might help.

I guess it is a barrier to entry for people that don't have eq addiction running through their veins.

[Gustoo]

Tradesonred sorry man but item loot hurts the pharming and rmt industry. Fungi worth less = less pizza per pharming session = bad

[mitic]

all players who played on vztz know that numbers doubled the moment daxum took item loot out of the game. so yes, sure, let's make it worse than better!

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Greegon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

an active GM presence could help a tad

Fuck i dont blame them, having to sort out all the rule lawyering of PnP, keeping all the nursery school manchilds spamming OOC with ****** this ****** that in check, instead of doing fun stuff like they were doing on Rallos, i wouldnt wanna log time in either.

[iiNGloriouS]

Originally Posted by Greegon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

an active GM presence could help a tad

HOLY SHIT. Logic all up in this thread.

[Gustoo]

Mitic vztz was a junk box with no expected lifespan it never had the chance to do anything but get unplugged. That example is no good. All those players were max level with nothing to do but log in and get their items haxx killed so they didn't bother until item loot was removed. Big deal.

Rallos was the strongest PvP server with the healthiest pop at all ranges because PvP had meaning.

P.s. healthy doesn't mean big. We understand that blue servers are more popular.

[Galacticus]

Where are new players most likely to come from? Blue.

What about item loot will convince them they should experience it?

Whats the pitch?

[Gustoo]

Twink kills you in unrest..

Chase him around with your friends and any other noob that wants an ikky regen
until he dies or plugs.

Wait at zone line to finish him. Gain loot.

I got my first 3 fbss and rubi bp this way.

With item loot you have a reason to fight.

Non twink 1-50 literally has not a single item of real value. If you have it it could be re purchased for like 50pp or 17 or so nybright sisters kills..so its no worry.