Victim disarmament zones

[hatelore]

Back before assault weapon prices went up, Me and my brother were buying sks's at gun shows for like 150 to 200 a pop. Now you can't touch an sks in my neck of the woods for under 600 or so. And there wasn't any waiting , it was , heres the money, thanks for the gun, suck it easy bro~ Looking back, yeah... That is a problem.

But as we have witnessed through history, give the government a little bit, and they snatch up the entire fucking cake. What Dianne Fuckstien and Obama etc want, is an outright BAN on all assault rifles. Now , how do you classify an assault rifle? Because that is where the key to what that ban will get us. Is a semi auto rifle an assault rifle? Is a rifle that holds over 5 rounds an assault rifle? Is a bolt action that shoots over 100 yards an assault rifle? Because there are many semi automatic rifles that hold over 5 rounds that are NOT assault rifles, and numerous bolt action rifles will accurately shoot over 100 yards. An SKS, AR 15, and Ak 47. Yeah those are assault rifles modeled after or used as guns in war.

I would not be surprised to see Obama pass an executive order to ban outright the sale or ownership of an assault rifle. Nothing Obama could do at this point would surprise me.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Back before assault weapon prices went up, Me and my brother were buying sks's at gun shows for like 150 to 200 a pop. Now you can't touch an sks in my neck of the woods for under 600 or so. And there wasn't any waiting , it was , heres the money, thanks for the gun, suck it easy bro~ Looking back, yeah... That is a problem.

But as we have witnessed through history, give the government a little bit, and they snatch up the entire fucking cake. What Dianne Fuckstien and Obama etc want, is an outright BAN on all assault rifles. Now , how do you classify an assault rifle? Because that is where the key to what that ban will get us. Is a semi auto rifle an assault rifle? Is a rifle that holds over 5 rounds an assault rifle? Is a bolt action that shoots over 100 yards an assault rifle? Because there are many semi automatic rifles that hold over 5 rounds that are NOT assault rifles, and numerous bolt action rifles will accurately shoot over 100 yards. An SKS, AR 15, and Ak 47. Yeah those are assault rifles modeled after or used as guns in war.

I would not be surprised to see Obama pass an executive order to ban outright the sale or ownership of an assault rifle. Nothing Obama could do at this point would surprise me.

Really when it was 500x easier to get assault weapons we saw the same if not less actual incidents like what gets plastered on mass media? Once every few years, now yearly.

Nah. It wasn't a problem. But our BIG government is making a mountain out of a molehill and MKultraing people right over the damn edge.

I'll gladly take my mongoloid rednecks with assault weapons over crazy fucking assholes like Obama calling the shots.

[Malice_Mizer]

Stricter gun laws in the city of Chicago mean literally nothing when you can drive 15 minutes away and grab a gun with zero regulation and simply drive into Chicago with the gun. Local gun laws are meaningless and provide breeding grounds for illegal activity. You also overlook New York's gun laws which are some of the most restrictive, and yet they've seen a massive deescalation of crime for the past 20 years, including confiscation of firearms. It's about how much control you have over the flow of goods through your city or locality. Most places can't have meaningful control when the rest of the nation hands out guns to literally anybody, and we can't even get a fucking bill passed concerning god damned background checks. You want mentally ill or felons to own guns? Sounds great! Who the hell are you defending?

You all are seriously crazy. Especially Morpheus. What the fuck are you even talking about? I recommend reading a book.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stricter gun laws in the city of Chicago mean literally nothing when you can drive 15 minutes away and grab a gun with zero regulation and simply drive into Chicago with the gun. Local gun laws are meaningless and provide breeding grounds for illegal activity. You also overlook New York's gun laws which are some of the most restrictive, and yet they've seen a massive deescalation of crime for the past 20 years, including confiscation of firearms. It's about how much control you have over the flow of goods through your city or locality. Most places can't have meaningful control when the rest of the nation hands out guns to literally anybody, and we can't even get a fucking bill passed concerning god damned background checks. You want mentally ill or felons to own guns? Sounds great! Who the hell are you defending?

You all are seriously crazy. Especially Morpheus. What the fuck are you even talking about? I recommend reading a book.

I'm talkinga bout life experience. Being a live living 32+ years. Joining the Army. Serving the country. Growing up in a libertarian (Republican) state (Utah), having Christian morals but having an open mind. And not being an ignorant retard.

I have seen the world go steadily downhill and southward as people except what gets shoved into their minds by "Studies" and Bureaucrats. If you had actually spent any time around firearms and real life dangerous situations. You would have no problem with the gun laws of 50 years ago. You would respect the foundations of our civilization (Revolution) and the freedom to allow people to fuck up and do horrible things. Because with that freedom and by protecting those potential disasters. You also protect everything else.

You people need to really take the time to visit a real third world nation and see what is both good and bad about it. And than visit a dictatorship or an extremely authoritarian state like Saudi Arabia.

Do you really want your OVERLY AUTHORITARIAN and OUT OF CONTROL government to stamp out this right?

If you think you will be safer after the fact. You are completely insane and irrational in my book. At this point this discussion devolved into UMAD, NO U territory. I am extremely sorry that I cannot cite and write you college essays on politics and life experience. I am terribly sorry that I'm not in a position to "rationally debate" on "your terms" this issue.

But take my old grouchy ass man words for it. You don't want to give up even more liberty.

GO OUT AND VOTE FOR A 3rd PARTY.
PROTEST.
DEMAND COPYWRITE REFORM.
DEMAND CONTROL ON CORPORATIONS.
DEMAND FREE COMMERCE.
DEMAND REPRESENTATION.
DEMAND EGALITARIAN TREATMENT OF ALL.
DEMAND YOUR CITY MANAGE YOUR COMMUNITIES
DEMAND THE ENERGY SOLUTIONS YOU DESERVER (SOLAR, NUCLEAR, NAT GAS, WIND, a HETROGENOUS MIX OF TECHNOLOGIES SUBSIDIED BY YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND COMMUNITY PROGRAMS, IN THE HANDS OF NPO's YOU CONTROL BY DIRECT PARTICIPATION AND INFLUENCE)
DEMAND GOOD FOOD CROPS (did you know Mexico is suing monsanto for infecting and destroying their Miaze crops of which there were 150 different types, for destroying Mexico's cultural heritage?)
We do not need GMO to feed ourselves.
We NEED to liberate our means of education and bring it back to the community level.
We need to promote SMALL BUSINESS at the COMMUNITY LEVEL. Rather than NATIONAL CHAINS AND MONOPOLIES.

Yep I'm way off the deep end and I'm not even calling for complete anarchy. I'm just an honest to god actual conservative.

If I wanted to live in the European Union or USSR I would have moved there. In fact I plan on one day learning Russian and visiting the far east (and or Spanish and South America). Because I am thoroughly disgusted enough to become an expatriate of this country.

[runlvlzero]

*accept (not except) blahblah poor grammar and syntax. Again I really am sorry I cannot communicate more effectively. It is terrible. Because I would rather convince you guys through words than force.

You guys just advocate force. Forcing others to live the way you want out of FEAR. You do not permit people to live free.

Trust me you are being huckstered by a political illusion. These NSA security fucks would love to see this country go through disarmerment. Just to justify and increase the # of security clearences they can sell 1000x fold to "Good Citizens" who are completely politicaly sanitary.

[runlvlzero]

Last triple post here.

What you wan't is what you've been told you wan't and what is historically wrong. And you think you are a progressive PACIFIST.

But NO PACIFIST who cares about their fellow man would ever ask or use force or coerce a government to use force to disarm their fellow people.

There is NO WAY I can see philosophically, ideologically, morally, ethically, wanting to take guns away from other people in your society as anything other than simple indirect bullying and oppression.

Lead by example. Stop buying guns. Teach gun safety. Teach people about the evils of murder. Preach.

But don't force your psudoscientific religion on us.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Last triple post here.

Sorry had to. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make an assload of good points though. For real.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry had to. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make an assload of good points though. For real.

Yeah I failed hard lol ;p HB a good troll =)

[Malice_Mizer]

The self-important righteousness is overwhelming.

"Hey guys let's overturn the current evil social order of things by adhering to American conservatism." Do you want me to break that word down for you? Conservatism in itself is antithetical to a revolutionary society. If your big thing is "egalitarianism" (as though that is honestly a founding principle of the US-- if you believe this, I highly recommend referring to literally any source of history for a correction), then conservatism is not your answer. If you want to learn Spanish and participate in the Pink Tide of South America, that also does not mesh with your stated beliefs. Neither does moving to Russia because you think the US is too authoritarian and oppressive. You're demonstrating your short-sighted, knee-jerk reactionary bullshit here.

By the way, your spelling, grammar and general structure of thought are laughable and immediately relegates you to the "crazy street-corner ranter" status. Not trying to be too elitist here or anything, but do you seriously think "want" is a contraction or something? Are you roleplaying an older dialect of English? And therfore wol I maken yow disport, As I seyde erst, and doon yow som confort.

Virtually everything you've said has been utter insanity.

"I'll gladly take my mongoloid rednecks with assault weapons over crazy fucking assholes like Obama calling the shots."

Case in point. You rant about representation and then somehow oppose the head of state and government as though he is illegitimate simply because you do not agree with him. Not sure how conservatism ideologically fits in with this.

Again, I recommend you study even the surface level of your shit before engaging in some half-assed pop rant because it's en vogue to hate "BIG GOVERNMENT FASCISTS." You sound like a middle schooler who just discovered that it's cool to dissent against the current administration.

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The self-important righteousness is overwhelming.

"Hey guys let's overturn the current evil social order of things by adhering to American conservatism." Do you want me to break that word down for you? Conservatism in itself is antithetical to a revolutionary society. If your big thing is "egalitarianism" (as though that is honestly a founding principle of the US-- if you believe this, I highly recommend referring to literally any source of history for a correction), then conservatism is not your answer. If you want to learn Spanish and participate in the Pink Tide of South America, that also does not mesh with your stated beliefs. Neither does moving to Russia because you think the US is too authoritarian and oppressive. You're demonstrating your short-sighted, knee-jerk reactionary bullshit here.

By the way, your spelling, grammar and general structure of thought are laughable and immediately relegates you to the "crazy street-corner ranter" status. Not trying to be too elitist here or anything, but do you seriously think "want" is a contraction or something? Are you roleplaying an older dialect of English? And therfore wol I maken yow disport, As I seyde erst, and doon yow som confort.

Virtually everything you've said has been utter insanity.

"I'll gladly take my mongoloid rednecks with assault weapons over crazy fucking assholes like Obama calling the shots."

Case in point. You rant about representation and then somehow oppose the head of state and government as though he is illegitimate simply because you do not agree with him. Not sure how conservatism ideologically fits in with this.

Again, I recommend you study even the surface level of your shit before engaging in some half-assed pop rant because it's en vogue to hate "BIG GOVERNMENT FASCISTS." You sound like a middle schooler who just discovered that it's cool to dissent against the current administration.

If we want to start critiquing posts then I should point out that your entire post contains no argument and is entirely constructed from a combination of two fallacies:

1. Attacking the style - logical fallacy
2. Attacking the person - logical fallacy