New ToV Racing Rules

[xexbis0]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a toxic opinion. It's not true. We only thrive on beating our regular competition. In our case that is Awakened 95% of the time. I take no joy in cockblocking anybody.

Cockblocking people for fun is not the same thing in taking as big of a slice of the pie for ourselves as we can. We have 80-90 people logging in on the reg. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

This all comes back to something I've said many times...how many people seeing end game content on this server before we are at equilibrium? I say we are already there with around 200 players seeing it on a weekly basis between 2 guilds. The game of Everquest isn't supposed to have 400 people in NToV. Find out who designed that zone and write them a strongly worded letter.

It's not a toxic opinion. For a promise to get out of your way and STFU about your ToV rules altogether (meaning if you kill in ToV or any class C mob you are instantly class C), you give up 1 in 3 KTs,CTs,Zlands,Klands,Dains etc.

Class C maintains it's exclusivity in recruiting. You want to see ToV? Better join these 2 guilds. Class R gets to probably end up rotating between CSG/DA/BDA the lockout timers on the above mobs and see a little bit of content.

If Class R were to say no to such a proposal, I'll be right there with A/A to tell them they are being greedy and want something for nothing that others are there to work for. It's a very small price to pay, and both sides could stop playing this charade and have to give up a little bit of what they want to accomplish long term.

I've seen nothing even close to this mentioned. I've seen nothing from either leadership that even budges off the exclusivity of the content they're monopolizing. They don't want server-wide competition.

[JurisDictum]

Sometimes I forget that I'm in the MMO equivalent of a hardcore fascist militia somewhere out in the middle of the Appalachians. People here tend to have a "purist" attitude about classic mechanics that's simply nutty by mainstream thinking.

The parallels between people that think John Locke got everything right in 1690, and think EQ got everything right in 1999, are pretty apparent to me.

I think we could give casuals a free shot at the entire end zone once every 5-6 weeks. Please explain to me how bad that could possibly be?

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The parallels between people that think John Locke got everything right in 1690, and think EQ got everything right in 1999, are pretty apparent to me.

Ha.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we could give casuals a free shot at the entire end zone once every 5-6 weeks. Please explain to me how bad that could possibly be?

Can't allow that - if AA doesn't compete for all available pixels the guilds will destroy themselves from within.

[Llodd]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we could give casuals a free shot at the entire end zone once every 5-6 weeks. Please explain to me how bad that could possibly be?

I and a few others were advocating for something similar back in 2013. The answer is this:

Originally Posted by ArumTP [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that you give yourselves mobs for free. Us in A/A much like our NTOV all the time and a bit of VP (-minus stuff bda snags). Why should we give you anything? The players and guilds that came to form A/A, wanted all that BiS loot, forced themselves in there and work hard to stcave into their deay there getting that loot. Why would A/A let anyone just take their shit for free? Neither side certainly gets their shit for free, if you want loot you must work for it.

This thread is deja vu. A pointless waste of time, because even tho some of the leadership has changed the ideology of a/a is exactly the same as that of TMO or IB was when they were dominating. It's a job to them and not a game to be enjoyed, and certainly not to be 'enjoyed' by anyone else.

Look at how this guy talks. They think they own the game and the pixels therein (and to an extent they do) but their whole attitude is a stinking pile of shite and to any sane person plain embarrasing.

Unless the casuals get their act together more; which is not as unlikely as it was when TMO were dominating, Rogean/Nilbog will do what they did pre velious and bring back the class system (assuming the status quo of domination is maintained and the server hasnt died) The casuals will just have to wait for that to happen.

tl;dr pointless thread going nowhere.

[Turp]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I and a few others were advocating for something similar back in 2013. The answer is this:



This thread is deja vu. A pointless waste of time, because even tho some of the leadership has changed the ideology of a/a is exactly the same as that of TMO or IB was when they were dominating. It's a job to them and not a game to be enjoyed, and certainly not to be 'enjoyed' by anyone else.

Look at how this guy talks. They think they own the game and the pixels therein (and to an extent they do) but their whole attitude is a stinking pile of shite and to any sane person plain embarrasing.

Unless the casuals get their act together more; which is not as unlikely as it was when TMO were dominating, Rogean/Nilbog will do what they did pre velious and bring back the class system (assuming the status quo of domination is maintained and the server hasnt died) The casuals will just have to wait for that to happen.

tl;dr pointless thread going nowhere.

You are damn wrong. A/A would gladly take lower variance , even though it helps casuals. The shit is not fun. Play both sides before ya speak.
I have spoke to leaders and officers of your casual guild and literraly damn near begged them and explained to them how lower variance would help them. And they fought me. Not A/A . I am on no side. I am a ever crack junky. We are not here to attack you. and PLEASE when did TMO secretly agree (not make a public rant about it) to give away kunark/classic mobs for 3 or whatever weeks like A/A recently agreed to.

Now onto the leaders. Put up or shut up.
I have had 7 or more casual guild leaders and officers that were going into the most recent GM meeting fight with me. What about? Oh yea , lowering variance. But then the same fucking people bitch about top end taking all the mobs. WTF are ya guys smoking? You should get in this convo because you know who you are because I tried to help you BEFORE the meeting and you all was worried about dumb shit that has not , and will not , help you 1 damn bit.
Races? Rules? oh yea "this will help the casual" . Get fucking real.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Maybe because I am not in a casual guild they just assume I was trying to harm them? but i don't think that would even hold up. Well it wouldn't if you have a higher than mental retardation IQ. Because you would see the bigger picture.
Good luck racing A/A I can tell you for a fact a lower variance would HELP YOU.
Races , will not. We blast past you and tag that FTE all day everyday... but please prove me wrong. All you that ignored or fought my plea for you to ask for a lower variance. All you leaders and officers that literally have excuses (hope they post them its hilarious) that lower variance would hurt you.

Top end is not the blood thirsty people of last few years, in fact most them are gone and just a few remain. Why do you think A/A just made an agreement to leave kunark and classic to the casuals for 3 or whatever weeks. Its because we hate you and want you to die? ... nope. Please remove head from ass and again see the bigger picture. The overwhelming majority of the people you speak of are GONE. They left when class R otation was forced.

ps please post the excuses you fed me. Your "reason" for fighting for races instead of lower variance. You obviously didn't discuss it with your members because the shit talk is rampant. And what I said to you is common sense in the MMO world.
Please post our conversations to the public. It was PMs so I won't do it right now, but if u same people keep saying dumb shit I have no choice but to show the public your ridiculous paper thin arguments. These guild leaders I speak of , are "leaders" that are leading their people to being totally dominated by A/A and reduced to handouts . You people are wrong. Maybe let the public tell you because you all ignored me and fought me on variance , then you turn around and fought for... races.
Jeeze
smh

#rant off

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are damn wrong. A/A would gladly take lower variance , even though it helps casuals. The shit is not fun. Play both sides before ya speak.
I have spoke to leaders and officers of your casual guild and literraly damn near begged them and explained to them how lower variance would help them. And they fought me. Not A/A . I am on no side. I am a ever crack junky. We are not here to attack you. and PLEASE when did TMO secretly agree (not make a public rant about it) to give away kunark/classic mobs for 3 or whatever weeks like A/A recently agreed to.

Now onto the leaders. Put up or shut up.
I have had 7 or more casual guild leaders and officers that were going into the most recent GM meeting fight with me. What about? Oh yea , lowering variance. But then the same fucking people bitch about top end taking all the mobs. WTF are ya guys smoking? You should get in this convo because you know who you are because I tried to help you BEFORE the meeting and you all was worried about dumb shit that has not , and will not , help you 1 damn bit.
Races? Rules? oh yea "this will help the casual" . Get fucking real.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Maybe because I am not in a casual guild they just assume I was trying to harm them? but i don't think that would even hold up. Well it wouldn't if you have a higher than mental retardation IQ. Because you would see the bigger picture.
Good luck racing A/A I can tell you for a fact a lower variance would HELP YOU.
Races , will not. We blast past you and tag that FTE all day everyday... but please prove me wrong. All you that ignored or fought my plea for you to ask for a lower variance. All you leaders and officers that literally have excuses (hope they post them its hilarious) that lower variance would hurt you.

Top end is not the blood thirsty people of last few years, in fact most them are gone and just a few remain. Why do you think A/A just made an agreement to leave kunark and classic to the casuals for 3 or whatever weeks. Its because we hate you and want you to die? ... nope. Please remove head from ass and again see the bigger picture. The overwhelming majority of the people you speak of are GONE. They left when class R otation was forced.

ps please post the excuses you fed me. Your "reason" for fighting for races instead of lower variance. You obviously didn't discuss it with your members because the shit talk is rampant. And what I said to you is common sense in the MMO world.
Please post our conversations to the public. It was PMs so I won't do it right now, but if u same people keep saying dumb shit I have no choice but to show the public your ridiculous paper thin arguments. These guild leaders I speak of , are "leaders" that are leading their people to being totally dominated by A/A and reduced to handouts . You people are wrong. Maybe let the public tell you because you all ignored me and fought me on variance , then you turn around and fought for... races.
Jeeze
smh

#rant off

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[Llodd]

Originally Posted by Turp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are damn wrong. A/A would gladly take lower variance , even though it helps casuals. The shit is not fun. Play both sides before ya speak.
I have spoke to leaders and officers of your casual guild and literraly damn near begged them and explained to them how lower variance would help them. And they fought me. Not A/A . I am on no side. I am a ever crack junky. We are not here to attack you. and PLEASE when did TMO secretly agree (not make a public rant about it) to give away kunark/classic mobs for 3 or whatever weeks like A/A recently agreed to.

Top end is not the blood thirsty people of last few years, in fact most them are gone and just a few remain. Why do you think A/A just made an agreement to leave kunark and classic to the casuals for 3 or whatever weeks. Its because we hate you and want you to die? ... nope. Please remove head from ass and again see the bigger picture. The overwhelming majority of the people you speak of are GONE. They left when class R otation was forced.

#rant off

You do realise A/A agreeing to Braknars request to not kill kunark mobs for 3 weeks means absolutely nothing? In fact I'd love for Braknar to give his reasons for that in the first place. Perhaps he wanted to see if he could have influence over you. I dont know. What seems to be the case is that it came from him and not from A/A .

anyway you missed the point being made by myself and just about everyone who reads the turgid crap that Arum and others put forth, and that is the attitude that permeates those guilds. Because of this, short of a rotation of some sort there really is no solution to the raid scene on p99. Its not about lowering variance or earthquakes - sure those may or may not help - but they really would merely be bandaids that cover the festering sore that is the current raid scene.

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[FatMice]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realise A/A agreeing to Braknars request to not kill kunark mobs for 3 weeks means absolutely nothing? In fact I'd love for Braknar to give his reasons for that in the first place. Perhaps he wanted to see if he could have influence over you. I dont know. What seems to be the case is that it came from him and not from A/A .

anyway you missed the point being made by myself and just about everyone who reads the turgid crap that Arum and others put forth, and that is the attitude that permeates those guilds. Because of this, short of a rotation of some sort there really is no solution to the raid scene on p99. Its not about lowering variance or earthquakes - sure those may or may not help - but they really would merely be bandaids that cover the festering sore that is the current raid scene.

Cause this repop didn't help the overall server? If anything the current rule-set has easily leveled the playing field. Don't think so? Then I suggest you focus on what you and you're guild is doing and not A/A or anyone else.