Real Question here

[Lojik]

I still think all these raid targets should spawn every day with +-4 hour variance and with significantly reduced loot tables. This way, at least people are killing stuff when logged in not just cothtrackbating or whatever it is people do.

[Ravager]

Since it's all not classic already anyway, the best solution would be to make the encounters a lot more difficult so that even the best geared zerg still stands a chance of wiping. Make the fears 95% unresistable. Make the hatelist a certain size and banish anyone after that number. Make the Golems and Giants assist the dragon instead of blindly chasing the shield bearer.

Dragons and Gods were supposed to be difficult encounters.

[kotton05]

What golems and giants?

[xexbis0]

Rabble rabble rabble. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the raid scene other than TMO are butthurt they're losing FFA mobs occasionally now. All class R guilds are experiencing more content than they did before. *Shocker special* since removing auto fire they're losing more mobs than before even though they love to ridicule people like Catherin.

Of course TMO is in here championing 48 hour or 96 (which is beyond dumb) variance where the most dedicated of R guilds can't really compete because we don't have 5 alts to camp out at zone lines anywhere.

Or "make everything FFA on sim repops". You're BSing if you think that IB and TMO wouldn't come to a "don't touch anything in VP til 2 hours after repop" agreement. That agreement will of course be class Rs fault for not competing in VP.

[Jfertal]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What golems and giants?

Reffering to golems in fear for a ct raid, and giants for vox and naggy?

[kotton05]

Giants do aggro they don't really assist but need cleared or to be occupied. Golems do assist CT... Or am I mistaken..

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rabble rabble rabble. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the raid scene other than TMO are butthurt they're losing FFA mobs occasionally now. All class R guilds are experiencing more content than they did before. *Shocker special* since removing auto fire they're losing more mobs than before even though they love to ridicule people like Catherin.

Yet, Class R is asking for FFA to be removed as well. Did you even read the thread, or are you just looking for an audience for your imagined slights?

Originally Posted by xexbis

Of course TMO is in here championing 48 hour or 96 (which is beyond dumb) variance where the most dedicated of R guilds can't really compete because we don't have 5 alts to camp out at zone lines anywhere.

If you'd read the thread, you'd note that the discussion on reinstating the variance is for Class C mobs only.

Originally Posted by xexbis

Or "make everything FFA on sim repops". You're BSing if you think that IB and TMO wouldn't come to a "don't touch anything in VP til 2 hours after repop" agreement. That agreement will of course be class Rs fault for not competing in VP.

The discussion isn't considering the removal of bag limits. Even if they were removed, no VP agreement for a hands off period would stand.

[xexbis0]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet, Class R is asking for FFA to be removed as well. Did you even read the thread, or are you just looking for an audience for your imagined slights?



If you'd read the thread, you'd note that the discussion on reinstating the variance is for Class C mobs only.



The discussion isn't considering the removal of bag limits. Even if they were removed, no VP agreement for a hands off period would stand.

1) Rabble wasn't directed at TMO specifically. I'm sure IB is annoyed but they're forum muzzled. Also, the R guilds crying are being greedy imo. It's a choice to care about competing for FFA mobs and the playing field is level currently. I'm also not sure if they'd like the consequences of whining into a purely C/R rotation and forcing certain guilds to play nice or play C.

2) What does a stupid long class C variance accomplish other than class R having to spend time tracking timers? I also did not get the impression they were being class C specific. I think you're stretching that point.

3) I don't know why most class R would slow down their rotation on important epic mobs for the occasional shot at gorenaire. This is also assuming the repops happen during peak hours.

I think there's much ado about nothing personally and that's directed at almost everyone in this thread, not just TMO.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by xexbis0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) Rabble wasn't directed at TMO specifically. I'm sure IB is annoyed but they're forum muzzled. Also, the R guilds crying are being greedy imo. It's a choice to care about competing for FFA mobs and the playing field is level currently. I'm also not sure if they'd like the consequences of whining into a purely C/R rotation and forcing certain guilds to play nice or play C.

2) What does a stupid long class C variance accomplish other than class R having to spend time tracking timers? I also did not get the impression they were being class C specific. I think you're stretching that point.

3) I don't know why most class R would slow down their rotation on important epic mobs for the occasional shot at gorenaire. This is also assuming the repops happen during peak hours.

I think there's much ado about nothing personally and that's directed at almost everyone in this thread, not just TMO.

The point of Class R is to completely segregate that population away from the play style of Class C. It absolutely should be play nice or play C.

Extending the Class C variance (especially with extended windows) prevents the spawns from being permanently clustered, unarguably reduces the all-too-familiar sock fests we have, and it encourages competition in the fairest way so far seen on the server: quick mobilization and proper organization.

Finally, Class R might be willing to take a hit in the wallet as you described because this is about what is the best policy for the server. Believe it or not, quite a few people are concerned with good policy even if it doesn't benefit them directly.

[Velerin]

I'd just like to experience a Norrath where dragons live for longer than 30 seconds, get to roam around a little, stretch their legs, burn down a few poor newbies passing thru the zone before they meet their demise and give out their lewts.