Riot kites then kills KT. Surprised no free Vulak after wiping on free attempt.

[Gatordash]

Originally Posted by tacomagradd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are so close to the answer. Keep searching. It is out there... somewhere... Perhaps right in front of you... Where you've been looking this whole time... Looking, but not seeing...

So you are 100% sure its a "blatant intentional train" from Klaz by standing up, even though no one saw him stand up, the assists are all on Riot members, and he is FD on the fraps until after an AE goes on when he stands up to try and gate.

[tacomagradd]

Eh, it is really hard to prove "intention." Even the best video couldn't prove a person's intent, unless it had audio of them confessing it was intentional. Pretty suspect though, even if it wasn't intentional. Space thinks it was on purpose, I don't care as much if he meant to do it or not - he obviously had agro, stood up, trained & fd'd again. The whole video mashup will be in the petition for GMs to decide.

I would like folks to sit down and /assist a flurry mob when it comes into camp at Aary and see what happens. Does it go to the puller, or the person sitting? The /assist can sometimes prove who is pulling a train, but it is just one factor of many to consider. If a person trains you and feigns, they're not going to be on the /assist, unless you type it before they feign. If you press "enter" after they feign, you can /assist as many times as you want, you're not going to get the guilty party.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

-Upton Sinclair

[Samoht]

You do realize that getting hit by an AE while you're FD makes you stand up, right?

Right?!

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My guess is that Klaz was FD but his aggro didn't clear. When the KRIOT player(s) with aggro brought the train up, it broke Klaz's FD and then they went for him after the KRIOT player(s) died.

Runyan's assist clearly targets someone that isn't Klaz. Twice. My guess is that that's who had the aggro, and once they boxed or died or whatever the mobs went for Darmai who had the highest GUID and then Klaz after killing the rest of the KRIOT who either already had aggro or were targeted before FD broke.

Its amazing that you are still in here talking about something you have not bothered to actually look at. For the last time, the train was clearly and provably dropped prior to the assist going off.

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You can also show that Klaz was casting FD exactly 1.5 seconds prior to those two drakes charging the raid. Later when Klaz stands up all the drakes start moving towards him on the first frame of his stand animation proving he is higher than anyone else on the aggro table. Explain why your guild member was casting FD exactly as the train aggro'ed on the raid. Explain why your guild member was the highest person on the aggro table when he stands up from that FD. Explain why all the new drakes coming into camp give off new piercing roar/charges when he dies.

I get that people may not have looked as in depth as I have or read extensively and understood the evidence brought forward in this thread. However, ignoring all the evidence brought up here and continuing with conjecture about how we probably just trained ourselves is dishonest. Personally, when I started to go through this stuff I would have loved to be able to clear Klaz's name but the facts show very clearly what happened here.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can also show that Klaz was casting FD exactly 1.5 seconds prior to those two drakes charging the raid.

No, no you can't. There's no evidence of this. It's purely.. what do you call it.. conjecture!

You're assuming what he cast, and you know what happens when you assume, right?

[zati]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People try to explain to you how the game works but you're too goddamned stupid to listen.

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, no you can't. There's no evidence of this. It's purely.. what do you call it.. conjecture!

You're assuming what he cast, and you know what happens when you assume, right?

Do you even read the stuff we have written or do you just not bother because it doesn't align with your narrative? There is an explanation of how this can be done buried in this thread but if you don't want to bother you can wait for the petition.

Also you are incorrect about AOE making you stand up from an FD.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by titanshub [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you even read the stuff we have written or do you just not bother because it doesn't align with your narrative? There is an explanation of how this can be done buried in this thread but if you don't want to bother you can wait for the petition.

There you ago again making claims without anything to back it up.

When you have evidence that supports your claim, provide it. Nobody gives a shit if you allude to something that doesn't exist.

[titanshub]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There you ago again making claims without anything to back it up.

When you have evidence that supports your claim, provide it. Nobody gives a shit if you allude to something that doesn't exist.

I told you where it can be found. Go back and try to read and understand the arguments this time. Stop trying to make counter claims and deflect from the fact that you don't know what you are talking about.

[Samoht]

Nobody is deflecting here but you. You claim there's evidence, provide it. Otherwise, you don't have evidence.