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Old 06-20-2012, 01:10 PM
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would a custom ASOIAF red server be cool?
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:55 PM
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is the hound dead or is he on a vow of silence as a monk
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:32 PM
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Why is it called ASOIAF instead of ASOFAI? ASOIAF sounds stupid.
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is the hound dead or is he on a vow of silence as a monk
The Hound was seen at the monastery and he will likely be the Faith's champion against Ser Robert Strong (AKA Gregor Clegane, the Mountain, his brother) during Cersei's trial by arms.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:56 PM
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Did Eds sis get kidnapped or did she just fall in love. Indication seems to show both. Would change perceptions a bit if he did hunt down and kill his sisters lover instead of killing her attacker.
Rhaegar met Lyanna at the Great Tournament of Harrenhal, where she posed as the mystery knight, The Knight of the Laughing Tree, in order to avenge Howland Reed's treatment at the hands of the dastardly squires. Rhaegar was sent by Aerys to retrieve the knight so he could be punished.

Rhaegar was so impressed by Lyanna and she by him, they immediately fell in love and began the great sequence of events that led to Robert's Rebellion.

ASOIAF is so interesting in that the primary motive events have all occurred in the past, and in fact one of the central characters to the story, Rhaegar, is already dead. We only hear about him through the points of view of others, and everyone but Robert seems to speak of him in tones of awe and admiration. It would have been extremely out of character and unlikely of him to have kidnapped Lyanna, a very capable warrior in her own right.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:58 PM
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Why is it called ASOIAF instead of ASOFAI? ASOIAF sounds stupid.
I think even "A Song of" sounds stupid, and agree with you on the rest, as well. It may have something to do with him avoiding comparisons to Fire And Ice, Frank Frazetta's animated epic.
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would a custom ASOIAF red server be cool?
I have an awesome ASOIAF mod for Mount and Blade Warband v1.143, and have been waiting patiently for one for Dominions 3.
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:42 AM
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The Hound was seen at the monastery and he will likely be the Faith's champion against Ser Robert Strong (AKA Gregor Clegane, the Mountain, his brother) during Cersei's trial by arms.
god i hope ur right I need to reread #5 so much happens I think I missed some stuff didnt rember the faith putting up a champion
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Old 06-21-2012, 02:10 AM
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I think even "A Song of" sounds stupid, and agree with you on the rest, as well. It may have something to do with him avoiding comparisons to Fire And Ice, Frank Frazetta's animated epic.
Martin, as with every other fantasy author of the last 50 years, owes a great debt to Tolkien. But unlike most of his contemporaries, GRRM actually gets what Tolkien was about. His series doesn't merely rip off elves and orcs, it shows a much more nuanced appreciation for the source. Tolkien borrowed heavily from Norse mythology, much of which pas passed down orally and was only written in medieval times after Christianity had had a go at it.

What Martin does is emphasize the difference between oral and written forms of language. Oral tradition plays an important role in the backstory of ASOIAF: the legend of Azor Ahai, the Horn of Winter, the Children of the Forest, even the Rains of Castamere. But you also have the primary form of communication being written, via ravens, under the control of the Maesters of Oldtown. The Maesters have their own agenda, as evinced in chapters in AFFC featuring Pate, Sam, and Marwyn. Oral histories may not be considered more reliable than rumor, but they predict the rise of the Others, the arrival of Dany (obliquely), and other things in less obvious ways (Jon's parentage is the most glaring omission).

So in a way Martin is giving a nod to oral traditions (like that of the medieval Norse peoples) while discounting early written histories. It's not a one-to-one comparison but there's enough there to make the series overarching title "A Song Of" seem like it means something. Songs were, for a very very long time, the primary means of passing down vital historical information between generations. The advent of writing in cultures accustomed to oral histories was not necessarily any more reliable, reliant as it was upon the biases of the scribes who had the training and skill to write things down.

When you think about how much of the series hinges upon unreliable narration and incomplete knowledge, it's entirely apropos.
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Old 06-21-2012, 05:41 AM
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Who is Jon Snow really? Also what do you think will ultimately happen with the Bran storyline? I like to think he might save westeros in the end.
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