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[Ivory]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What was your real dps? I have a ranger with maxed archery and it was never that impressive.

25-40 it seemed on most of the fights without trueshot. Depended a lot on how much I cast that fight (I was more lazy with the casting since I was trying to save mana to help heal). With trueshot I was at 50-55dps about (not using BFG).

[RDawg816]

[QUOTE=Ivory;2299746With trueshot I was at 50-55dps about (not using BFG).[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that's without getting hit, either. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[koros]

Originally Posted by Ivory [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

25-40 it seemed on most of the fights without trueshot. Depended a lot on how much I cast that fight (I was more lazy with the casting since I was trying to save mana to help heal). With trueshot I was at 50-55dps about (not using BFG).

Cecily said you were doing 1/3rd her dps tho. She certainly wasn't doing 75-120.

[Troxx]

10 dps? A meleeing bard with OK weapons would still put out more dps. A lot more dps ... And bard melee dps is bad. To put it into perspective, 1 chant dot is more than 10dps.

Color me not impressed with archery still. It's neat for pulling, passable with trueshot, and otherwise worthless other than as a solo trick to not get hit for part or all of the fight.

The dps as parsed is still really bad. Ranger melee dps is considerably better.

[Cecily]

I don't think those parses suppressed the pulls, which take awhile there, so just look at the total damage, not DPS. That's the important number.
And please don't bring bards into this.

[maskedmelon]

Given that time in combat is about the same, I don't see how the 10dps is off :/ Archerynis a nice tool to do things you can't with melee, but I don't see any point to make it out to be something it is not. Its not worthless, but its uses are limited ^^

[Ivory]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10 dps? A meleeing bard with OK weapons would still put out more dps. A lot more dps ... And bard melee dps is bad. To put it into perspective, 1 chant dot is more than 10dps.

Bows don't do 10 dps -_- lol

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cecily said you were doing 1/3rd her dps tho. She certainly wasn't doing 75-120.

1/3 of my damage*. Without a lengthy pull, I do about 75 dps on these frogs, yes.

[Troxx]

1/3 of 75 (25) is still really low output at level 55 and required 35 stacks of arrows. You said don't bring bards into this, but that is bard level melee dps contribution - and bard melee is bad. A hasted/buffed level 55 shaman pet puts out 20-25 continuous dps.

You commented on the fact that the little time she spent meleeing was about the same output. Was this also while swinging the terrible awful no good for anything but using a bow velium swiftblade offhand? With a real weapon and lesser but reasonable haste ranger melee dps wins handily and doesn't require you buy (restock), fletch (restock), or waste time summoning arrows (time better spent meditating for heals/nukes/buffs/whatever).

Archery is a tool for pulling, trueshotting, and assisting with soloing. For all the reasons you listed in your OP it certainly is better now, but it still is not good. I main'd a bard from 2000-2003 during and after this era. Archery did not get good until luclin. In luclin with am3 and EQ it was godly.

[Cecily]

25 dps is 1500 damage per minute. That's considerable. It's actually double what epic druids do mana free, which happens to be good enough to kill mobs solo. If you halve that for rooting or otherwise soloing, it is what epic druids do mana free, which happens to be good enough to kill mobs solo. The point here is archery a viable alternative for soloing without being extremely geared. Imo, yes it is.

*Tolerable damage output
*Infinitely sustainable w/ Tolan's bracer. 1 min of summoning gets you 80 arrows.
*Can med / cast spells while attacking
*You don't get hit

The melee weapons were flamesong / velium axe. Procing weapons that suit her dex build / budget.