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[Langrisserx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wElDcg8ZFs

[Tann]

Ya'll were made a public example of, best way to get a point across!

As for the Raid Scene, private talks wouldn't work when one interested party doesn't want to share. The uber guilds of old, Legacy of Steel, Fires of Heaven, Afterlife.. they had class, they'd let the lower guilds have cracks at raid bosses. LoS even helped my guild take down Vindi once when the CH rotation got messed up and we started losing tanks too quickly. They were after AoW but let us attempt vindi while they waited "patiently" behind us.

tldr, "the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" James T. Picard

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Tann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya'll were made a public example of, best way to get a point across!

As for the Raid Scene, private talks wouldn't work when one interested party doesn't want to share. The uber guilds of old, Legacy of Steel, Fires of Heaven, Afterlife.. they had class, they'd let the lower guilds have cracks at raid bosses. LoS even helped my guild take down Vindi once when the CH rotation got messed up and we started losing tanks too quickly. They were after AoW but let us attempt vindi while they waited "patiently" behind us.

tldr, "the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" James T. Picard

FoH didnt have wait 3 years in kunark.

[sanforce]

Well said Zeelot. I don't appreciate the attack on TMO as a whole for a few bad apples. It doesn't make sense to take this sweeping public action unless Rogean enjoys all of the drama that it creates. It's a serious issue, but was an unbalanced approach.

[Lazie]

Looks to me that Rogean was giving you reasons why the staff came to the decision they came to. They included.

A member who was part of RMT.

Multiple members involved in exploiting.

A member who was ninja looting items.(This member has also been suspended a few times and kept in the guild)

He then mentioned how the same guild who were harboring these members also continues to cause problems in the end game. Everyone wants to work together to make the raid scene better when discussions are brought up... Except TMO. Their members are consistently the ones who are vocal about not making changes that better the server. Simply because they want to continue to gear up multiple alts and for some they enjoy keeping things from other people. It seems to give them a sort of feeling of superiority that is borderline insane.

Guilds on this server grow and progress pretty consistently until the reach a point where they are competing with your guild Zeelot. Then 2 things happen when they become a threat. Your guild members flame them in OOC/Shout and in rants and flames on these forums. You publicly as a guild leader rarely say anything and just let it happen. You personally have the power to help make this server a better place going forward Zeelot as the leader of TMO. Stop trying to figure out ways to subjugate people and start trying to figure out ways to play nice with them.

[Millburn]

See you in 4 weeks.

Maybe all that holiday cheer will instill some basic decency for when you come back.

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[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you wanted TMO to change our raid scene approach, you could have asked and we would have been open to any ideas.

Because you've been so open to ideas put forth thus far.

Yet you have no respect for anyone else that approached you with this besides people who could make you do it, and not until they decided to point it out. So reasonable.

[Obito]

This is too good. You and your guild are completely guilty by association. I hope the raid scene changes, but at the same time, I hope TMO can't play nice and Rogean /guilddisbands you all.

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[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Writ3r [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Consistency is how every account that had guilty parties access them in the past was also punished the same as the regular owners. With the GM's constantly reminding people not to do it due to previous examples of what could happen. You are getting off light in the fact they are considering not perma-banning ALL the accounts.

You've been raid suspended multiple times all with the same 1-2 week suspension limits never an additional allotment per suspension regardless of the activity. Again, after being in discussion of completely DISBANDING your guild... which has only been done once in the history of this server and it was on red. You again are getting off fairly light, considering going from one extreme down to the typical 2 week ban.

If anything you should be grateful, it has been evident the majority of the server knew what you were doing in excess of scumlike behavior. Xasten himself even admitted the most recent RMT guy was let back into the guild only to rebuild his market through your guilds successes. Seems to me as if you knew about those things that you claim would've been taken care of, but you hadn't. Many people have approached your guild in the past in regards to changing tactics and they were met with nothing more than disrespectful treatment out in the playing field or on the forums.

You won't get pity from people, deal with what came your way... after all wasn't it you who said you didn't care about your guilds reputation? Seems you do now.

Our raid suspensions were received by a corrupt gm who was complicity in a Staff/IB RMT operation. So ya her suspension doesnt hold too much water.


The RMT guy in our guild wasnt booted for RMT he was booted for ninja looting a raid mob. We forgave him. RMT came after.

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because you've been so open to ideas put forth thus far.

Yet you have no respect for anyone else that approached you with this besides people who could make you do it, and not until they decided to point it out. So reasonable.

He was talking to rogean not you. If ROGEAN wanted us to have a rotation etc... it would happen.