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The reason why you test DPS the way I showed in my videos is because that removes variables outside of the player's control. Assuming your group plays correctly, you will DPS the same way every time, the same as if you were solo. Once you add in outside variables, that changes the DPS equation NOT because of what the class can do, but because of what other players are doing. If your Enchanters suck and your pet keeps dying, that isn't an indication Mage Pet DPS is 24 instead of 48. That just means variables outside your control are affecting your DPS. You could literally have 1000 data sets of players playing the game poorly (which would reduce overall DPS), but that doesn't mean the class actually does that much DPS normally. Troxx cannot even prove how good/bad his group was doing since he hasn't provided videos/logs. All we have is some DPS data.
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And then now you say that your solo DPS is 100% what you would be able to do in a group. Those statements are in complete conflict with each other and if you try to dispute that then you're definitely not arguing in good faith and have therefore become the same person you've accused others in this thread of being. So which option is true? The group having too many variables and being irrelevant or the latter comment about solo dps 100% equaling group? | |||
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Imagine being this stubborn and illogical
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Since I am having a conversation with like 10 people, often times my posts may be missing context if you just read them in a vaccum. If your group is playing correctly (which has been the assumption throughout this conversation), then you will DPS the same as if you were solo, because you are not losing DPS due to other player's mistakes. If your group is not playing correctly, the DPS data you get will be skewed. Again, you could have 1000 data sets of people playing terribly, and it wouldn't reflect the actual DPS of the class. Comparing one single set of group data for a Mage vs. a Shaman doesn't tell you much, unless you could somehow prove both groups played similarly. This is why you test DPS in a situation without outside variables. That shows your DPS ceiling, assuming the group is working correctly. This lets you know what the average DPS difference is between the two classes.
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It is factually correct that variables outside of a specific player's control are affecting/can affect your DPS when in a group setting. In (irrefutable) fact, multiple other posters have provided this (irrefutable) fact (among others) to you already in attempts/efforts to explain to you that your solo Shaman root rotting data is not relevant to the discussion about Shaman vs Mage DPSing, in which context/environment these variables DO in fact exist and are inescapable as this is not a simulation, it is a game played by players. That you seem to be ignoring this, or acting like you have forgotten it, will not change the (irrefutable) facts (which you cannot refute). Quote:
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If the group is playing correctly, then no, the DPS will not be the same as solo. Are you entirely incapable of seeing why that is? I call your bluff. You're just a troll, you sociopath. | |||
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If I can do 1350 damage solo, what changes when I deal 1350 damage in a group? If you want to say the mob is dying so quickly I can't cast 2 Ice Strikes, for example, then the Mage's DPS will be effected too, because they would not be able to cast 2 Shock of Steel. If your Enchanters keep killing the party, that is NOT an indicator of average class DPS. It does not give you a proper analysis of the Mage's DPS, the Shaman's DPS, or the Enchanter's DPS.
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This really isn't hard hehe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Quote:
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"On P99 if I do 1350 damage solo, I will also do 1350 damage in a group against the same mob." And now we're shifting to "If your group is playing correctly" the DPS will be the same...so now you've created a vague standard to ensure your argument works. Got it. | |||
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You deal 0 DPS if your group is dying and not killing any mobs, so I am not sure why we would include that scenario.
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